@Jhawk69 Danny & the miracles
Carmelo and Jerry who???
Yeah DP 100% as Kobe 2.0 can lead us to a title
We have the athleticism
We have the length
We have the buy-in from the guys
The dudes like each other and all seem humble
I’m 100% on board with this squad. Gotta see them their first few games and I may 180 my tune but for now I’m gonna hope DP is the greatest recruit we’ve ever had (because honestly he is)
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in The portal.:
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
@kuballin10 I think we will be fine with Flory playing some 4. Not terribly worried about that; Flory can guard anyone as long as he avoids fouls.
Flory, Tiller, and Dessert (if he commits) should not play a single minute at the 4 this season unless any of the have significantly extended their shooting range. All 3 have more limited range than KJ and with the primary offensive skill set of this team being the ability the drive the ball, you can’t have two non shooting post players on the floor together.
Right now, we know Peterson, White, and Flory are starters while Council, Dawson, and Jackson are fighting for a starting spot (probably Dawson and Jackson in reality). This is why Self has been targeting starting caliber 3’s so hard because KU doesn’t have one right now and is a huge hole in the line up.
You and I 100% agree the issue is the guy calling the shots and dictating minutes loves two bigs so much he played 3 bigs at the same time……multiple times last year!
No way would I play any of the bigs on the roster at the 4 - I’d be running 4 guards all day as I’ve always said but Bill loves him some size and will sacrifice skill/ability to score for some height and arm length.
That’s specifically why I brought it up because we all know it will happen if he’s “not happy” with how the guards have been playing in practice. He did that this year with KJ at the 4 and even 3……he did it in reverse when Ernest and Zuby didn’t satisfy his practice itch and then ran 4 guards around KJ at the 5.
I’m starting to think Bill values practice so much in comparison to game results
If Bill attempts to have Flory play the 4 because he’s not happy with the guard play just go ahead and pencil us down for another 5-7 place in big 12, 7-10 seed and rd 32 exit
I’m good with Dessert as long as it’s off the bench at the 5 spot only
@approxinfinity Yeah congrats to her on the promotion but people hoping/thinking Self would pull in a legit gm - this is the furthest thing from it.
@Texas-Hawk-10 Insert Self’s response fart noise as he doesn’t hire a gm but instead Lexi
Self is a total control freak he isn’t hiring a gm and as essentially said that without flat out telling the media
You can see this in the lack of freedom he gives players in his system…this expands to everything in the program
@TYOHawk He didn’t treat guys the same and try to elevate the entire team. Valued crappy players with major holes.
The game now is how you handle transfers and the sign of a great coach is they come to your program and take a step forward. In our case, the two biggest ones last year went quite a bit backward and players see this stuff and talk at summer camps, nba combine ect
Self begging for mone…they will push him out much like donors have done at other schools.
He wrote checks with his mouth these last two seasons that he couldn’t cash.
What’s worse is he had jr/sr/5th yr guys these last two years and we still have only gotten out of the rd of 32 once since 2018. So the whole “he can only succeed with 3-4 year guys” was a complete farce with the unstoppable big 3 he rolled out there
Staff doesn’t guard the three or have a clue and Bill just shakes his head but doesn’t make adjustments (ie Hunter hedging for 24 straight months unsuccessfully or D2 being the guy to always have the ball in his hands).
@Texas-Hawk-10 You could tell once a runner got on and was bunted over….the dugout knew they had em!
Nothing like a duck fart for the win!
@TYOHawk And staff went opposite like they always do in over correcting. Griffin a shooter to now White who shot his career best 32% last year
Just get Williams and we will be good. I’d rather have Williams anyways as I’ve said
@BShark frick so Duke’s getting both??? The kid returning and Adams
Their pockets must be deep
For 1 year….Williams >>> Sarr
I’ll take either but prefer the Summer Bill massive pickup
@SlimShaddy54 Sorry for the confusion my comment was regarding Council per the comment above about the staff really impressed with him
@BeddieKU23 ha that’s funny almost like the first legit 6-3 pg with d1 athleticism is now knocking their socks off because holy heck they’ve been blind at that position for 4 years
So not surprised they get a legit guy in here and “wow they are impressed”
@Texas-Hawk-10 He will be good but won’t have the season Flagg just had because of how we run things
If we get Williams though it was worth the wait!
@FarmerJayhawk When is KJ predicted to be healthy? Sometimes elite athletes like him heal quicker and if he came back I could see some idiotic stuff lineup wise take place
@DCHawker You know I’d be the first to agree regarding scouting guys but the issue is more the system
Will be another good year to compare transfers and how they pan out council vs Lee
I think the staff is adjusting and I think Council is eerily similar to Tyshawn. He’s the better get for Self’s system so I’m happy with it. Good defender - produces turnovers and more athletic. His 3 ball looks like Tyshawn’s and he doesn’t shy away from the big moment.
@FarmerJayhawk @BShark What’s the starting lineup looking like
Rumors we got Council and passed on Lee
I’m good with that - Council is the superior athlete
He, DP, Dawson, White and Flory is a solid 5 Self should roll out there but I’m sure we get another big and he finds a way to play two lumbering bigs who can’t shoot outside of 5 feet
Better be - dudes a stud….
Council, Coward and an athletic backup big
Reload and let DP handle the ball at point every possession
@BShark said in The portal.:
@FarmerJayhawk said in The portal.:
The perfect wing. He and Tre at the 3/4 would straight up bully everyone
My new top choice personally
He or RJ???
@BShark said in Hot Take: We Overvalue our own players:
@BShark said in Hot Take: We Overvalue our own players:
This thread might be embarrassing soon
Look at this dummy
Self deprecation/humility is a sign of maturity Many people can never admit they are wrong
I hope to be wrong on Bill this upcoming year!
May landing Yaxel
McLasland
McCollum
I think all 3 potentially better than Oats and on par with Golden
@FarmerJayhawk said in NCAA Tournament Discussion:
I respect the hell out of Sampson
Guy’s who got in trouble for getting caught paying players I don’t care about anymore. If you can coach and aren’t a woman beater/predator than by all means who cares about $$$ 10-20 years ago.
Everyone paid players
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in The portal.:
@RockkChalkk said in The portal.:
@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
@FarmerJayhawk DaJuan caliber defender?
Hope not! Need way better.
Than a guy who was a 3x all-conference defender and a former conference DPOY? I’d take level of defender any day and twice on Sunday, but apparently that’s not good enough for you.
Wasn’t good enough to get out of the round of 32 or 64 in back to back years with the most senior laden team
He was so bad Diggy came and we stormed back
Coaches voting D2 as some incredible defender is exactly what I’d done to as Self keeps running him out there telling everyone how incredible he is
Onto DP and the miracles due to all these transfers talking so much regarding what happened this year
After the sweet 16 2026 exit everyone will be beyond ready for Oats or Golden ***please bookmark this
@BShark That’s not a good allocation of resources if White is fairly expensive. 30 other guys I’d rather have than him at similar or $100k more in cost
Adding: Guys been to 4 schools in 4 years and sounds identical to aj storr. TOS had a guy that went to Illini games and said the dude struggled with effort consistently
He should play the 4 based on his lack of offense but we won’t put him there. Sounds like we are running it back with just different names at the 3 spot
@approxinfinity said in Hot Take: We Overvalue our own players:
Everyone who thinks Flory is a $3 million dollar player is betting against Bill and staff’s assessment of talent. Given the last 3 years, can you blame them?
Dang this sounds like something I would have said lol I’m wearing off on you and that’s not good! Only enough room for 3-4 negative guys not the owner of the site too now!
History and tradition are things kids could care less about now - sad but a true reality
They want $ and a system to best prepare them for playing at the next level
We have the $ but hearing that’s drying up
The system we are currently lacking and no doubt negative recruiting is hurting us right now
Squad is cooking - hitting bombs with decent college pitching
Half of baseball is believing in your team. A few timely hits and you can win games you have no business winning!
@BShark Win a title and I’d bet that isn’t the case! 
@BShark Self may have made the official “hey guys it’s cancelled” decision but that’s because half the team has checked out of classes and is done. No one was sticking around for that….there were only 3-4 guys on the roster (that played) that respected Self and likewise Self to them (he didn’t respect many from the jump)
I’m curious what people have seen in these last 24 months that make you want to have Self around next year
The only reason I’d keep him is for DP but if it got out DP would come if Oats or Golden accepted the job then Self can exit stage left for the betterment of the program which per his words no coach is bigger than. He did well during his time here but it’s time to step aside
When you don’t play the best players, never attempt 4 guards in a legitimate game except once and then it works but you create some ridiculous reason how we were “so bad defensively” - what a freaking crock so he can keep playing “his guys”. If Self is some defensive genius he should have figured out a way to teach the 4 guard lineup to defend
He’s always done this but as others have said the players having equal leverage with the coaches has exposed it
Storr and Griffin came here after being at big P5 schools NOT THE MID MAJOR EXCUSE — and they digressed horribly
It not the players it’s the coach, his system and how he treated the guys
Issue is he always latches onto a lower level guy who he favors over the higher ceiling guys. Morningstar, Reed, traylor, kj, d2….
That’s why I know he can’t fix this, won’t change his ways and we are wasting years “letting Self go out on his own terms”. I mean fine if you want to watch the house burn down standing inside so be it
Indiana and UCLA here we come! Heck we are letting guys come here for a year and then play in their prime for IU and a coach who without his best player and another injured best Self’s “boys” in AFH
Looking forward to playing a round with Self when he’s retired, looking him squarely in the eyes and asking WTH were you seeing/thinking because it clearly didn’t work!
@CasterTroy Shocking - didn’t see that one coming!!!
Bama buddy coming in clutch mid season
Man the turmoil this season was insane all because Self said he wanted the big 3 to be who everything ran through
What a incorrect view of their talent
@kjayhawks From what I’ve read that didn’t happen until his minutes got cut after he dominated the stretch filling in for KJ.
The argument from KU’s side is he is all about the money but that doesn’t add up with the timeline to start shopping mid season. The minute cut and how he was handled by Self is what spurred them to say, “screw it let’s go get minutes so Flory can flourish and grab the bag”
If Flory had been playing and was happy here - you know it would have been “hey KU just bump his pay and let’s get this done” - instead it’s screw you for sitting Flory an nba talent behind kj after Flory proved it with double doubles and not fouling out - we are done and going elsewhere
@Jhawk69 Favoritism to the detriment of the program - was told I’m insane
Self’s presser mentioning his sons proved that
The blowup in Utah….
Us looking great in November when guys had freedom and then it’s stripped away
Sucks to watch us become Indiana or UCLA but Grandpa Bill needs to give the car keys over to the next generation - he’s legitimately unable to adjust his style of play
Oh and DP isn’t nearly this rock-solid commitment especially after today’s disaster
Better hope Flory ends up back at KU because word on the street is DP doesn’t want to play for a “1 year away from a title KU team”
@SlimShaddy54 said in The portal.:
Well I rode with Coach till the cows came home-- well they are all in the barn now so-- Now I think it’s time Bill needs to go. This past season was a Costly one for sure, looks like we gonna be a bottom dweller if not careful. Cupboard is BARE
Dang what a 180! Welcome to the your head is above the sand club!
@Jhawk69 I’ve been proven right for two years so not sure how you feel about that but glad we agree on flory
You guys hate me that’s fine
Culture is really bad - let’s examine from the outside
Flory plays awesome against Duke final 10 minutes and when he starts puts up great numbers (Houston game)
Relegated to the bench and zeke likes a post about flory playing/starting more online
We have top nil, “goat” coach (eye roll) and starting 5 spot guaranteed to him
He’s leaving because he wasn’t developed, favoritism, culture/unfair treatment and style of play
Homers will say oh his handlers….thats an excuse from jaded fans
DP says he’s most excited to play with Flory…Flory just entered the portal. Will Wade and MANY others still taking shots at DP but yeah Townsend was completely normal. Eventually you guys will look back and be like oh heck kuballin wasn’t full of crap and saw things for how they actually were
Bama buddy texted me today, “A lot of chaos in Lawrence - we scored 113 and I know for a fact contact was made to DP’s people but he seems full fledged Adidas. Not sure if he ends up in Lawrence though hearing a ton of rumblings that aren’t good and center around how ya’ll play plus rotations this year. I know dudes are gone but it’s a real bad look”
@TYOHawk Just need some leniency from Self on letting these guys mess up on D because offensively we should have all sorts of space to operate
Hall is bad defensively but he does rebound
@FarmerJayhawk Hopefully this applies to a majority of the staff and Bill revamping his philosophy as well……
Hard look in the mirror is required
@Texas-Hawk-10 I think Self needs to look in the mirror and adhere to what Geno said
Self prized two guys above the rest and it caused an all out practically brawl in Utah with players calling coaches out……
Phrasing Geno’s comments to paint Self as some saint is the most comically bad take and heck you’ve had a hell of a lot lately
@SlimShaddy54 You must have been absent from the board the night we put the ball in AJ’s hands to start the game and Flory played the final 10 minutes because kid Hunt’s standard turd antics —- against Duke
@approxinfinity can attest I was positive and jacked about the season that night. Guys played loose - Bill in an interview said “we got guards” and then he tightened the reigns, installed his “system” and it all went to hell
But hey just remember the negatives like the news!
Bill was a disaster these past 2 years and it needs to be addressed. When we aren’t a title contender next year he for the betterment of the program needs to bow out (he’s said no coach is ever bigger than KU - which is respect of the program I appreciate)
@Crimsonorblue22 Another in game roster mistake by dolla bill!
I mean Hurley says it’s easy go with the hot hand
Bill sees the hot hand and wets himself sticking with Rylen
Heck Juan goes out and we make a run first half and after tv timeout Bill’s interviewed and says Juan’s going back in
247 board has nailed it and the results show Bill is wrong. He’s misjudged his multiyear talent and he messed up the number 1 NIL roster this year. He let the ball be constantly in Juan’s hands with kj as the pnr guy
Just atrocious internal scouting/self evaluation
@BeddieKU23 That says plenty - I wouldn’t want to play in this culture hell hole or want my kid too (blowout fights, favoritism which worked against Flory where zeke and other guys spoke out….pathetic program)
We will be “in” on some top transfers but not land them and the bailout will be we didn’t have the NIL which will be comical considering we have a top 3 NIL in all of college bball
Arkansas sweet 16
UK scored 85 today giving up in the 70’s from a ragtag group their coach threw together
BYU sweet 16 with a fun style of play
I’d take 5-7 coaches over Self right now
@Crimsonorblue22 His camp contacted Bama that is 100% factual and they did it mid year……
@BShark applause for back to back 6-7 big 12 seeds and rd 64 upset loss and rd 32 blowout
The applause is for his past definitely not his present coaching performance
@DCHawker They play a brand of ball we don’t and they had a bad year but would have blown the doors off us if we played today
They hung with a top 3 team in the tourney - we got beat by a 10 seed without their best player.
Pretty evident who’s better
Mcneely made the right decision not coming here would have been tough to play that 4 spot behind kj and if he started at the 3 he wouldn’t have had the leash to shoot some of the shots he did
@kjayhawks said in Lets Dance - Arkansas vs KU:
I gotta say I’m shocked @kuballin10 isn’t here blowing his cork. Prob too busy helicoptering himself
lol nah saw this team and it’s coach for who they are. 2 years of the same roster running the same stuff that doesn’t work
We lost to the 9th best sec team without their best player (be like us winning yesterday without say hunt’s double double or whoever you deem our best guy) - a game we should have won by a mile
D2 turned it over along with hunt and kj down the stretch (kj obviously not after his injury which sucks for a good kid)
Bill stating kj and D2 are like sons - Bill yelling at Flory when KJ threw a bad lob pass. The list goes on and on hence the throwdown in Utah
Self’s a mess - he forces guys to fit his system instead of adjusting his system to his players strengths. He let nepotism run the program into the ground with back to back historically bad seasons for KU under Self
I wish he’d retire - because next year he will run DP with diggy (system guy and vocal leader according to the tea leaves) because the transfers will be thinking versus playing too much
We will pound it inside and try to open up the perimeter by playing inside out instead of letting stud guards dictate the game and create inside opportunities
His system he cherishes so much sucks and he has zero clue how to fix it besides just hoping guys pick it up better. In 2025 you won’t have 3 year program guys - freshman transfer or go to the league and stud transfers he treated like freshman
He’s making us Indiana and he needs to step down
@BShark said in The portal.:
I think some people are going to be really disappointed by what we go after at the 4 spot if what I’ve heard is true.
A leopard doesn’t change its spots
Bill would rather play 2 bigs over 4 guards. This is disheartening and shows Bill and co. Haven’t learned anything from these last 5/6 years.
Two bigs both unable to stretch the floor is yet again another disaster with roster construction
We don’t ever run either so that won’t change (unless we get down double digits then we fastbreak)
@kjayhawks Zona attempts to guard the 3. We still lose because of that philosophical difference
@SlimShaddy54 kids had bball games so didn’t get to watch
Glad the group Self put together and loves of his seniors didn’t break the senior day streak
The squad winning in front of a juiced AFH doesn’t change my thoughts on March
We’ve had 2 full seasons watching the same middling big 12 team so we all know what is coming
I won’t even bother to say anything when they lose unless it’s at Self who has assembled and judged talent really poorly
He needs to ride off into the sunset before he’s running Diggy at point, and calling late game iso plays for Flory when we have DP next year
@DanR said in Central Florida 3. Not UCF.:
Hall of fame coach time, right?
Yeah he’s dominated late game situations a ton these last 2 years
His go “to’s” are kj or d2 Juan that result in “TO’s”