Just came across this on tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT2CAqrJt/
Any guys on our team keeping up with this analysis and prep? Lol. I’m not even a big painter fan. Feels like self has had times in his career where he’s been able to talk like this but this conversation surely isn’t happening in practice with this squad.
@drgnslayr the age old positive vs. negative reinforcement debate. Positive reinforcement has been proven over and over again to be more successful than negative. Tough to convince boomers of it though. Old habits die hard. I do think he even tried some with this group. But I think he’s been trying everything he can think of a nothing has seemed to land with this crew. That’s why I keep being hard on Hunter even when his individual production has been fine.
Accountability still has to exist even when positive reinforcement is the key motivating tactic. And if only one person is willing to hold others accountable, then they are the bad guy no matter what. The relational capacity of this team is so low. I think that was the big coaching mistake of this year. They had some success early and seems like (I don’t actually know) they may have skipped out on some early team building thinking they’d be ok but then those cracks exploded as soon as any adversity hit.
@rcjhdraft being able to catch a pass or inbound the ball would be an improvement from this years group.
At least they showed good energy in that second half. I’d be curious what the plus minus of the three big line up in the first half did to us…
Too many inexplicable mistakes down the stretch. I’m
@approxinfinity Flory may be the only player on this team who is truly good without the ball in his hands. I will acknowledge that Hunter has gotten better this year at working off ball to get deeper position and push his man up the lane for those entry passes (even if only Juan and kj can actually throw those passes).
Doesn’t Peterson need to be “on ball” too? Is anyone good “off ball”?
Seems like that’s a big part of our problems this year. AJ needs the ball in his hands, Hunter needs the ball in his hands, and if the ball isn’t in Juan or kjs hands they are actively not guarded so better get the ball in their hands, and if Rylan doesn’t have the ball in his hands he just kind of floats to the corner and waits (this has been a little better the last few games).
I see why we all love flory.
@SlimShaddy54 Allen field house is very friendly so I think we’ve got a good shot at 2-1 as well. I don’t think 3-0 is actually impossible. I’d be more surprised by 0-3 than 3-0 at this point.
@kjayhawks said in Man is KU is really going to stomp Colorado tonight!:
@approxinfinity with Shak out I think we have found our 7 with Flory and Diggy off the bench. At this point Storr is just a lost cause
Worst all big 10 player of all time? I’d be happy with Diggy getting all of Store’s minutes at this point and I never thought I’d say that.
Gotta give it to Hunter this game. HUGE game from him when the shots weren’t falling for anyone else. We make some free throws and any threes and that game wouldn’t have been that close. Feel good about the win. Gotta keep it going though to prove they are more than I currently think they are.
Was hoping my sad thread wouldn’t be the game thread!
@Zabudda I have concepts of a plan to watch the whole thing.
@Crimsonorblue22 You look forward to us losing? Lol. I know that’s not what your saying. To be clear I am still 100% cheering for my jayhawks every chance I get. Just had to adjust my own expectations a bit this year. Hoping they are moving into the underpromise/overdeliver territory now.
Maybe this was all just Bill Self’s way to get his team peaking at the right time! (See there I go hoping again…)
A. It’s on the road. We have sucked on the road.
B. It’s in the mountains. We have sucked at altitude.
C. We just played well vs. OK State. We have been unable to string back to back good performances together.
Colorado is bad. But so was Utah…
I’d say I was very worried about this game if my level of investment in this team was that of a normal KU mens basketball season. But unfortunately while I will likely watch the first half before falling asleep, my level of caring about this team is still pretty low as I’ve grown to expect nothing from them.
Even if they win this one, I think I will need at least one more before I let myself feel ANY hope for this team in March.
That’s still 9:00 mountain time? What the hell? I’d get it if it was full west coast pacific time because a game starting at 8 isn’t unheard of but 9 seems late add in the central time of 10:00 and it just seems silly.
Unfortunately I think two things:
We ended up playing with energy but the start was still slow. A good team could have buried us right from the tip that game. They missed some open looks early that could have made that a very different game.
It’s a good start but I’m not calling this team “BACK” yet.
@DanR said in Biggest game of the year thread:
No movement on O at all
This is the real issue with Rylan and AJ and why they aren’t panning out.
@patoh3 if he had real scorers around him someone would have been there to throw that down.
@drgnslayr said in Tonight's game:
There is no lineup that fixes this. The spirit of this team is broken. I don’t think it’s fair to blast a few players placing blame.
What can we expect moving forward? With my limited experience of seeing teams broken at this level I’d say expect the unexpected. But in this case, I’m not expecting these guys to have the ability to string together 40 consecutive minutes of execution. I expect everything to be very stiff and laborious.
I previously said there should be a performance clause in their NIL contracts. I guess indirectly this exists already because most, or all, their NIL values have dropped and they continue making new deals.
I think it WAS fair to point out some of the earlier issues and focus on what one or two players/coaches/etc. could do to address some weaknesses and amplify some strengths but for it to get to where we are now it is such a total failure that no one can really escape blame. Everyone is responsible for this. There is still strangely a lot of basketball left. Seems to me there are three real possibilities.
@rockchalkjayhawk I’m not sure if he is trying to fit square pegs into round holes. To me it seems more like trying to see if any of these pegs can stand on their own. I think all he is trying to do right now is get guys to care and the more he tries, the less they care. But we may have ourselves in a cycle where the less they care, the less he cares, and the less I seem to care.
Honestly down thirty maybe ONLY Hunter and AJ should play. Like no breaks.
I think this is the appropriate time for an overrated chant. Can I start it?
@approxinfinity yep. He is not off the hook. This is his fault. There is PLENTY of blame to go around for this mess.
Saving all the offensive sets and defensive wrinkles for the tournament. That’s what it is. I’m sure of it.
Honestly this looks a lot like the gonzaga game last year.
I’m gonna say the half time speech might be something like, maybe don’t leave the guys in the corner.
If we take a three at least someone is already back on d! lol.
@patoh3 said in Tonight's game:
Have they even tried to drive to the rim so far?
They’ve tried and fumbled it or gotten stripped every time. Rylan got bailed out on one with a foul.
Maybe we can get a moral victory and win the second half.
Hunter doing a great job jogging three point line to three point line.
@wissox said in Tonight's game:
@nuleafjhawk Sorry nuleaf, but the snide sarcastic comments from a lot of commenters are getting tiresome. This is obviously a startling thing to see our team going through, but what good is it to act like we’re the worst team in history? Maybe we don’t know how to act when our team is not good. It sucks, but for the first time since maybe the early 1980’s we’ve got a team that isn’t goode enough to compete.
I mean… nothing good to say about the start to this one.
Maybe they blew their load too fast. Like KU vs Texas in the t rob game.
@DanR offensive side too even when the ball isn’t around. The BYU game plan is absolutely maul the bigs and then run run run. It is working very well.
@DanR said in Tonight's game:
How many times is Flory going to get MUGGED on rebounds, Bill.
He may need to get a tech. It’s real bad under there.
My friend is a Tottenham fan and this week they chanted “you’re nothing special we lose every week” at the opponent. And that’s how I feel now.
@kjayhawks said in Tonight's game:
I still don’t understand the switching 5 with 2 or 3 bigs on the floor. I honestly wonder if opposing coaches don’t giggle making a scouting report. Make them switch mismatch for an open 3 or draw the big guys out and lob over the little guys.
This is so true. Like what is the ideal goal here? What is the point except to give up easy mismatch buckets.
I’m not convinced Hunter has ever gotten a rebound that didn’t come right to him.
@Kcmatt7 said in Tonight's game:
Lmao okay maybe Bill had lost it. What are we even watching
He hates this team. Has to.
