The "crap on Biden" thread.
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Loved Kamala raking Barr and Kavanaugh over the coals! She’s tough! Saw the tulsi thing too.
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All those pre Covid Dem debates seem so long ago now
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@Crimsonorblue22 Kavanaugh has proven to be less of a douche than he was 30 years ago. Barr has gone in the opposite direction.
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I think Harris is GREAT. I would’ve voted for her in the primary if she’d still been on the ballot in KS. All the people I know to the left or right of me can’t actually say specifically what they don’t like about her… it’s always about something someone else might think “Well, black guys aren’t going to vote for her because of her AG record…” Too progressive (no specifics), not progressive enough (no specifics). I honestly don’t know know what that is about…mostly that comes from guys but a few women too, so I don’t think it’s a fragile male ego thing.
She’s tough. She’s smart. She has a sense of humor (indicative to me as having a soul). She mows people down who are ass-clowns, OK–That’s what I want.
Who would have been a better pick? Warren? Whitmer, Jim Webb?
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@DanR I hope you’re right. The #1 thing I want is someone that is in it to serve the people (all the people). There will be a great opportunity for the Democrats to make change if both houses and the Presidency are controlled. I want someone with a vision to do the right things with that opportunity, not take us on a crusade down the wrong paths. What’s her vision? As far I can tell she stands for nothing. I get the same kind of “shoot from the hip, doing it my way” vibe from Kamala that I get from Trump. I do think she’s smarter, I do think she has more of a soul. But she has a large ego, and I think she wants to make her mark more than that she wants to serve the people.
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@DanR she’s kick ass, good team
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Lots of good, honest qualified people to put around him!
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I keep telling y’all, let’s vote 3rd party. Chances are its gonna be no worse than the two running right now.
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@DanR said in The "crap on Biden" thread.:
I think Harris is GREAT. I would’ve voted for her in the primary if she’d still been on the ballot in KS. All the people I know to the left or right of me can’t actually say specifically what they don’t like about her… it’s always about something someone else might think “Well, black guys aren’t going to vote for her because of her AG record…” Too progressive (no specifics), not progressive enough (no specifics). I honestly don’t know know what that is about…mostly that comes from guys but a few women too, so I don’t think it’s a fragile male ego thing.
She’s tough. She’s smart. She has a sense of humor (indicative to me as having a soul). She mows people down who are ass-clowns, OK–That’s what I want.
Who would have been a better pick? Warren? Whitmer, Jim Webb?
If I must:
-she covered up corruption under her command even though it was known the individual was engraving in criminal conduct (https://archives.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2010/05/20/judge-blames-da-kamala-harris-for-crime-lab-scandal)
-she challenged the release of someone she KNEW to he innocent on procedural grounds (https://archives.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2010/05/20/judge-blames-da-kamala-harris-for-crime-lab-scandal)
-she twice refused to endorse sentencing reforms under a total cop out (hehe) explanation and fought an order mandating prisoners be released under the 8th Amendment
-she appealed an injunction freezing executions in California (https://www.ocweekly.com/attorney-general-kamala-harris-to-fight-orange-county-federal-judges-death-penalty-ruling-6463617/)
-she supports the drug war (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-pot-referendum-a-political-land-mine-for-democrats/)
-and most notably, prosecuted parents of kids with truancy issues, putting more strain on the foster system and irreparably harming families in the process (https://www.sfgate.com/education/article/Kamala-Harris-California-s-truancy-crisis-must-5304576.php)
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The “ambitious” thing is much repeated, but I have yet to hear of any office holder in history who wasn’t.
Well, except for Cincinnatus in the Roman Republic who reluctantly accepted being appointed “Dictator” by the Senate, and went back to farming after he dispelled the invasion threat. Wrote my Senior History Thesis on thst guy…
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@DanR said in The "crap on Biden" thread.:
I think Harris is GREAT. I would’ve voted for her in the primary if she’d still been on the ballot in KS. All the people I know to the left or right of me can’t actually say specifically what they don’t like about her… it’s always about something someone else might think “Well, black guys aren’t going to vote for her because of her AG record…” Too progressive (no specifics), not progressive enough (no specifics). I honestly don’t know know what that is about…mostly that comes from guys but a few women too, so I don’t think it’s a fragile male ego thing.
She’s tough. She’s smart. She has a sense of humor (indicative to me as having a soul). She mows people down who are ass-clowns, OK–That’s what I want.
Who would have been a better pick? Warren? Whitmer, Jim Webb?
Kamala’s got a lot of the bad Republican traits in her. Her criminal justice history makes a lot of Republicans look like they’re criminal sympathizers and has been called out on her hypocritical claims as California AG. Her views on the healthcare system are also pretty right leaning. Once a lot of democrats start digging into how she votes and how she acted as AG, she’s not by a section of democrats.
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We need a laughing emoji for some of these comments. Especially the one about honest politicians haha I can’t stop laughing. Sometimes the intelligence on here smh…
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@FarmerJayhawk she’s a nut case for any logical thinking person. It’s amazing the Democrats even support her in the slightest.
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@kjayhawks said in The "crap on Biden" thread.:
@FarmerJayhawk she’s a nut case for any logical thinking person. It’s amazing the Democrats even support her in the slightest.
To me it’s obvious her politics are: Want power -> ??? -> have power. She flip flopped a few times while running for President on Medicare for All. And that’s hardly unique among politicians for sure, she’s just one of the more brazen about it. Basically the Democratic Marco Rubio.
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@FarmerJayhawk fair comparison lol, we better keep it down before they boot us outta here.
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@kjayhawks yeah, the intelligence on here never ceases to amaze me either!
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@kjayhawks you do seem like a Sarah Palin kind of guy!
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McCain lost by 10 million votes. Sure, he regrets Palin, but no VP pick could have swung that election. He did open up Pandora’s box for future elections though.
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@Crimsonorblue22 Palin is/was bat crap crazy to put it nicely. Name any politician you want, I bet I can find multiple cases in which they have lied. Even the great Obama lied numerous times.
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@kjayhawks said in The "crap on Biden" thread.:
@Crimsonorblue22 Palin is/was bat crap crazy to put it nicely. Name any politician you want, I bet I can find multiple cases in which they have lied. Even the great Obama lied numerous times
I don’t know if this was a passive apology for Trump being a liar, but I’ll bang the drum again! Orders of magnitude… There’s a world of difference between a few lies vs being chronically incapable of telling the truth because you don’t believe things exist outside of your own narrative.
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@approxinfinity definitely not, it was in response to @Crimsonorblue22 saying a politician was honest. Had not bearing to trumps mess. We all enjoy @Crimsonorblue22s company I’ve just given up on politicians in this country friends.
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@kjayhawks I didn’t say she was honest!
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@Crimsonorblue22 I know you didn’t, I’m just saying they all crooks, liars and thieves to me.
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I’m glad Trump is saying stupid stuff about Harris today so I can return my focus to how much of a POS he is.
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So… I did a little digging on Harris and it’s not good. Rather interesting to say the least. First off she isn’t African American (which doesn’t matter if she is, but a lot people think she is) her mom is from India and her dad is from Jamaica. She herself has been very outspoken about repatriations for African Americans due to slavery and that my friends is where the bombshell was found. Harris’s great great great grandfather named Hamilton Brown was a white sugar farmer in Jamaica. He owned not one or two plantations but five and was said to own more than 200 slaves at his height of operations. Also he supposedly took land that was to be given to freed slaves. Most of her family’s wealth leads to him. Coming from me of Irish and Scottish descendant who ancestors were more than likely slaves, knowing at least one side of my family wasn’t in this country til the 1890s is flat out sickening. Gosh I’d give my life if Americans could just think.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamilton_Brown
She already pretty damn hypocritical to say the least.
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@kjayhawks said in The "crap on Biden" thread.:
So… I did a little digging on Harris and it’s not good. Rather interesting to say the least. First off she isn’t African American (which doesn’t matter if she is, but a lot people think she is) her mom is from India and her dad is from Jamaica. She herself has been very outspoken about repatriations for African Americans due to slavery and that my friends is where the bombshell was found. Harris’s great great great grandfather named Hamilton Brown was a white sugar farmer in Jamaica. He owned not one or two plantations but five and was said to own more than 200 slaves at his height of operations. Also he supposedly took land that was to be given to freed slaves. Most of her family’s wealth leads to him. Coming from me of Irish and Scottish descendant who ancestors were more than likely slaves, knowing at least one side of my family wasn’t in this country til the 1890s is flat out sickening. Gosh I’d give my life if Americans could just think.
So what exactly is your point here and please clarify what is flat out sickening? The fact that generational wealth dating back to slavery is still alive and well? Gotta agree with you there. But then wouldn’t the medicine for that sickening illness be reparations? Or is that the part that sickens you? I’m confused. Also, does Wikipedia now count as digging? Did you see @Texas-Hawk-10 quote from Wikipedia on Harris? Clearly super reliable source. Why not just make up some story that she doesn’t even qualify because maybe she wasn’t born here like they did for the last black person on the ticket. Oh wait that’s already happening…
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@benshawks08 generational wealth due to slavery is part of the point. But if you can’t see the issue I have with being a descendant of slaves being asking to pay reparations because of the color my skin by someone whos wealth comes from slavery when my family wasn’t even here during slavery. There is no point in carrying on this conversation any further with all due respect friend. If she’s that big on it, she needs to put her money where her mouth is and open up that check book.
Edit: the info on Brown is on numerous other pages if you google him, but don’t let dozens of sources get in the way.
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To me, Kamala is the Marco Rubio of the Democratic Party. She’ll say and do anything to get power, and not too concerned with the constraints of our system. See one of the D debates on how she just throws out there that she’ll make policy via executive order and her ideas are more important than the Constitution (if they weren’t she’d say she’d follow it, not burn it down). I’d be more sympathetic if she wasn’t so obvious about it. Hard to square her support for all these in Vogue racial justice items if she hadn’t spent a large part of her career locking up minorities and abusing their civil rights ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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@kjayhawks So… Harris’s great great great grandfather was a slave owner and rapist.
Do you actually think Hamilton Brown was married to her great great great grandmother and their kid inherited wealth?
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Why can’t we just focus on the person and their character? And their policies or lack thereof?
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@DanR the point went light years over your head. Like I said I’d give my life if people could just think.
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@kjayhawks I’d hope your life is more valuable than that! Dan R is dang smart! One of our best and funniest posters. He usually doesn’t call people out either.
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Well if we’re piling on, @kjayhawks how do you think black people ended up in Jamaica? They were just there since the beginning of mankind?
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@Crimsonorblue22 its really simple concept IMO. Comes from wealth that’s tied to slavery, tells white people many of which have zero ties to slavery they need to pay up for it. Its the definition of hypocrisy especially coming from her record in California. I typically like @DanR as well and no ill will towards him. Just because don’t agree or understand doesn’t mean you get to change definitions of words to suit your logic. I’ll disagree with anybody here and not have hate towards them, I might be a smart a$$ tho lol.
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I do agree with free Albert Wilson. Still a Kamala fan, not a Crenshaw fan.
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@kjayhawks the reason people are rolling their eyes at you is because this avenue attempting to alienate people from a candidate based on their heritage is textbook republican birtherism BS. It’s tired and dumb and we should stick to the characters and the issues.
Which is hard to do when your candidate is a fat, stupid monster who has led the country straight into the gutter. I get it. Let’s focus on BS instead.
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@kjayhawks you don’t have to explain the concept, just calling people stupid, I bite my tongue often!
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For the record, I’m calling the slander dumb, not you @kjayhawks
Heres a read from the other side, if you can stomach it. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/08/13/kamala-harris-embodies-america-trump-tried-destroy-heres-why-hes-failed/%3FoutputType=amp
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@approxinfinity you realize Democrats alienate whites people daily for being white right? Agreed there plenty of more BS on all of them.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in The "crap on Biden" thread.:
https://twitter.com/dancrenshawtx/status/1294028116382359555?s=21
I’m generally a big Crenshaw supporter and do plan on voting for him again this year because I do live in his district and actually live just a few minutes from his office.
He’s someone I can easily see becoming a star in Republican Party and be a presidential candidate in a couple of elections, either 2024 or 2028.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in The "crap on Biden" thread.:
https://twitter.com/dancrenshawtx/status/1294028116382359555?s=21
Here’s a good summary of Kamala’s problems as written in an opinion piece in the NY Times by the former director of the Loyola Law School Project for the Innocent in Los Angeles:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/17/opinion/kamala-harris-criminal-justice.html
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@kjayhawks The Democratic party and liberal media has poorly managed the fact that a large number of white Americans have felt alienated by their politics during this pandemic.
Unfortunately, some of this alienation is systemic.
How do you convince a white person who is trying to make ends meet with a poor public education and reinforced biases that embracing “Black Lives Matter” is a nuanced position that we should take to help the country get past systemic racism when they aren’t comfortable with their own position in life? How do you convince these people to even wear a mask when it’s the right thing to do, when they feel their rights and wealth are constantly under threat?
Yes, it’s notable how negligent the Democratic party has been in its messaging toward white America. And while it has come to a head during this pandemic, it’s been brewing throughout Trump’s presidency. The party and liberal media has clearly focused on people of color as their base, guilty of doubling down on that base the same way that the Republicans and Fox News have doubled down on appealing to every fear their base harbors: xenophobia, mysogeny, racism (and unconscious biases) in an attempt to drive votes to the polls.
In the case of the Democratic party, there was a time at the midterms where their message of choice was about healthcare, which is pretty universal. To the 7 million more uninsured Americans since Trump took office, that’s a real blue collar issue that is colorblind. How far ago that midterm seems now.
The appeal to the Republican bases’ worst fears by Republican politicians and Fox News is awful. But for the Democrats and liberal media to answer that fear by a diametrically opposed force is only perpetuating a culture of entrenched ignorance on both sides. There must be dialog, there must be an acknowledgement of nuances, and an empathy that extends to all Americans and unites us.
Obama tried to do this with his messaging. The irony being that as the country grew less tolerant, more politically polarized and indoctrinated, and while the wealth gap was growing in this country and our public education was losing ground, we had a message of unity coming from a charismatic black president, seemingly indicating all was well in this country. Clearly, and unfortunately, he was not a accurate representation of the country that was changing beneath his feet.
Say it with me: Dialog Now!
We don’t need to beat each other, we need to hear each other!
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@approxinfinity Systemic alienation of white Americans?
Wow.
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@approxinfinity fair assessment
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@DanR Try not to approach this as “how is the other side wrong?”. Think about it as “the other side is coming from a place where clearly they think they’re right, or they wouldn’t be so stubborn. So why do they feel this way?”
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I’m not making up that the Democratic Party and their base has shifted to people of color. I heard that on CNN several times around the midterms. Maybe this is more CNN than the Democratic Party.
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@DanR Tell me, is it irrational to try to explain why people with opposing views hold the convictions they do? I think there isn’t enough of it. People are afraid to be empathetic because they don’t want to be judged.
Can you take a shot at it if you have an explanation that’s better than mine? I would love another take on this.
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@DanR said in The "crap on Biden" thread.:
@approxinfinity Systemic alienation of white Americans?
Wow.
If you don’t think a lot of working class and poor whites have felt alienated, read Chris Arnade’s book Dignity or JD Vance’s Hillbilly Elegy. Or if you have working class family, talk to them too. Whether or not you think it’s warranted a lot of working class and poor whites feel ignored by both parties. They feel Republicans only appeal to rich folks and Democrats only appeal to urban minorities. It’s one of the reasons why deaths of despair among whites skyrocketed pre-covid.
