The democratic nominee
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@BShark laughable
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Truth bomb
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A well polished ad. With Trumps horrible COVID response front and center down the stetch, I don’t see how he’s reelectable.
Here’s the Trump Pence campaigns letter trying to get the ad taken down:
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Don’t underestimate the staying power of stupidity.
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@approxinfinity I usually wouldn’t defend Trump in any manor but Dr. Fauci himself wasn’t too worried about the virus in January. I think Trump is trying not to scare people at this point. I just wish he carried himself more professionally, drives me nuts. To me it doesn’t matter if he’s re-elected, it’s always the less of evils and which corporations are funneling in the cash to said candidate.
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@kjayhawks I take your point. Fauci was wrong too early on. The really critical period was February 2 (date of Trump’s travel ban) to mid-March (when states started issuing stay-at-hoQme orders, California first). His lack of leadership there not directing people to stay home, and lying and bullshitting every press conference was mind-blowing. I would like to see if they can distill that into effective messaging before election season.
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@approxinfinity it will be interesting to see how it effects his chances in November for sure.
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@approxinfinity you see the press conference today?
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Trump does not mean well. Trump cares only for himself. Any well-meaning person would be able to admit a mistake. He is precisely the same as he has been for 50 years.
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This is a sports board, so let’s think about this in terms of sports. No one on this board would tolerate any player or coach that would not ever own up to any mistakes, choosing instead to always blame (pick one or many) the referees, the other team, teammates, coaches, media, etc. We wouldn’t tolerate it not only because its annoying, but also because if you never take that accountability, you cannot improve as a player. If you say, hey, I’m actually a good shooter, but I was missing because the rim was bent, or, I am a good defender, but that guy was scoring because the help defense was out of position, or, those turnovers weren’t my fault, my teammates weren’t paying attention, etc., then you never improve in those areas because psychologically, you are telling yourself that your performance is fine. You will certainly plateau, meaning other, less talented players or coaches will easily bypass you in time.
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@justanotherfan you nailed it!
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@Crimsonorblue22 I read about it but that probably isn’t enough, unfortunately. I heard he said he could tell the Democratic governors to open up and they’d have to what he says. Did I miss anything notable?
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@justanotherfan Well said, could go towards most in politics.
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@kjayhawks I think the big problem is when politicians think more about getting elected/re-elected than honestly evaluating what’s they think and feel and then try to do the right thing. The media does have some culpability there as if someone does something the first evaluation is how will it affect the next election. If someone changes their mind they are a flip flopper and on and on it goes. Same problem with the dem primary. Too many people focused on beating trump instead of voting for the candidate they truly think is best.
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Biden won’t be the president even if he is elected. No keep an i on the vp selection. Biden is nothing more than a Manchurian president.
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@approxinfinity said in The democratic nominee:
@Crimsonorblue22 I read about it but that probably isn’t enough, unfortunately. I heard he said he could tell the Democratic governors to open up and they’d have to what he says. Did I miss anything notable?
Well here is the thing @approxinfinity. If A sitting president can be blamed for not shutting down the country soon enough, but yet doesn’t have the power to reopen the country sounds a bit weird to me. Or hypocritical or political?
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@DoubleDD the president is like a quarterback. He doesn’t have the ability to make his receivers catch the ball but if he leads them with a good pass they will catch it. if he calls one play in the huddle, gets behind center and then runs a different bad audible, blames players in the huddle the subsequent play, maybe even blames players from four years ago, argues with his coach, throws his helmet and pouts, he may still be a better quarterback than Trump on coronavirus.
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I’m very glad people have rediscovered federalism during this crisis and the Trump admin generally since the 10th amendment was seen by the press as some kind of crackpot way to bring back the Confederacy. But now it’s patriotic! Almost like… and follow me here… process arguments are inherently insincere.
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@FarmerJayhawk what is a process argument?
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@approxinfinity arguing about the methods we use to get from point A to point B (e.g. the filibuster or any parliamentary procedure, the powers of certain branches of government, etc.) When I was in state politics during the Obama years we were always told by D’s to just “do what Obama says!!” including things that were clearly outside his authority. Now, those same people are all about defying the administration and supporting their D governor. You can find Senators of both parties both praising the filibuster as both a threat to the Republic and unconstitutional yet when they’re in the minority its a bulwark against the tyranny of the majority and key to securing compromise. All of it’s garbage. Just folks making whatever argument suits their agenda. No real principle involved.
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@FarmerJayhawk I totally agree and think that has always been somewhat true. I do think Mitch has pushed us further in that direction. He is well known for drudging up old procedural precedents to suit his current agenda. He’s not the only one and it’s definitely on both sides, but I do think he is one of the biggest abusers of such arguments.
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@benshawks08 said in The democratic nominee:
@FarmerJayhawk I totally agree and think that has always been somewhat true. I do think Mitch has pushed us further in that direction. He is well known for drudging up old procedural precedents to suit his current agenda. He’s not the only one and it’s definitely on both sides, but I do think he is one of the biggest abusers of such arguments.
To his credit he’s always defended the legislative filibuster.
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@FarmerJayhawk But quite memorably not ALL filabusters.
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@benshawks08 said in The democratic nominee:
@FarmerJayhawk But quite memorably not ALL filabusters.
True. Harry Reid was warned for starting this. Cocaine Mitch plays for keeps
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@benshawks08 also good points my friend
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@BShark I love how this was breaking news yesterday. You mean a Democrat endorses his former running mate and friend whom is also a Democrat, first I’ve heard of it.
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@kjayhawks Don’t forget he’s the ONLY democrat left in the field! In other breaking news, Ivanka supports Trump’s bid for reelection…
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@benshawks08 exactly maybe they are running out of stories lol
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Donald Trump should not be blamed for not shutting down the country because he does not have that authority. He cannot issue a nationwide “stay at home” order like governors or local officials can. That’s outside his power.
So I hold no issue with him on actually shutting down the country.
The problem is the messaging has been confusing at best. Because Trump has a very strong following, when he says something, it resonates with a lot of people, to the point that if he says that something is a big deal, it is a big deal to those people, and if he says something is nothing to worry about, those people won’t worry about it.
As a result of having such a strong and loyal following, though, he has a large responsibility to keep those people informed of what is going on, because they won’t take something seriously if he doesn’t say it (or worse yet, says that it isn’t anything to worry about). That’s what happened here. Trump said COVID-19 was a hoax, and that it would disappear. So the people loyal to him dismissed reports that were counter to those statements. As a result, even now we have people that, despite all of the deaths and other issues, are still not really taking this seriously. That’s not good at any time, but especially during a public health crisis.
And why is it that a public health crisis is so different? Well, simply put, we need close to 100% buy-in for any action to be effective in a public health crisis. This isn’t about Republicans, Democrats, conservatives, liberals, moderates, right, left, etc. This is an infectious disease. Anyone can get it. Anyone can pass it along. That puts everyone at risk if even a minority of people continue to spread the virus.
The message has to be consistent about the risks, the dangers, and the way forward. That’s important in any crisis, but especially during a public health crisis, where you have to have nearly unanimous buy in for anything to work.
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@justanotherfan exactly how I see it my friend.
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@justanotherfan said in The democratic nominee:
Donald Trump should not be blamed for not shutting down the country because he does not have that authority. He cannot issue a nationwide “stay at home” order like governors or local officials can. That’s outside his power.
So I hold no issue with him on actually shutting down the country.
The problem is the messaging has been confusing at best. Because Trump has a very strong following, when he says something, it resonates with a lot of people, to the point that if he says that something is a big deal, it is a big deal to those people, and if he says something is nothing to worry about, those people won’t worry about it.
Doesn’t that fanbase include ignorant governors and constituents of governors that are riding on his coattails?
Really hard for me to see the responsibility for lack of consistent shutdowns as being much different from lack of consistent messaging and leadership which had a very direct impact on the lack of consistent shutdowns.
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I’m a bit confused here. I don’t really remember a Paul Revere riding in the nite warning the coronavirus is coming, the coronavirus is coming. The media says it was no big deal? The governors didn’t think it was a big deal. Yet when Trump did try todo something he was called a racist by the Dem media and the soon to be elected Biden. Who sense later apologized. Is Trump wrong not to post that the states and their governors woefully unprepared for a virus like this. Are we not saying the states should decide went to open back up? The same states that didn’t have enough masks or ventilators in stock pile? Yet we just blame Trump? Good luck with that at the ballot box. The American people are tired of a party that says they care but would rather make it a priority to secure monies for the Kennedy Center and illegal immigrants, in A bill that was supposed to help the American people. This is what you guys don’t get Trump loves America and whether you believe it or not Americans love him.
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@DoubleDD Trump sat on his thumbs for a month (and that’s a conservative measure) ignoring warning signs and telling the public the coronavirus wasn’t issue and that he had a natural gift for being a doctor, proclaiming the closing of the borders as a “mission accomplished” moment, and that he didn’t want the Diamond Princess included in his death tally because it would look bad, etc.
If you can’t see that this guy is a self-absorbed idiot who was distracted by petty nonsense while coronavirus was spreading in the US, and if you think that the President of the United States doesn’t have influence to help stop the spread of a global pandemic, there’s nothing I can tell you.
Which is it, very stable genius or idiot who was caught unaware? Or what, did the very stable genius realize what was happening but not do anything because it’s the governors’ job? This spin job doesn’t work.
Stop chugging the hydroxychloroquine.
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@approxinfinity said in The democratic nominee:
@DoubleDD Trump sat on his thumbs for a month (and that’s a conservative measure) ignoring warning signs and telling the public the coronavirus wasn’t issue and that he had a natural gift for being a doctor, proclaiming the closing of the borders as a “mission accomplished” moment, and that he didn’t want the Diamond Princess included in his death tally because it would look bad, etc.
If you can’t see that this guy is a self-absorbed idiot who was distracted by petty nonsense while coronavirus was spreading in the US, and if you think that the President of the United States doesn’t have influence to help stop the spread of a global pandemic, there’s nothing I can tell you.
Which is it, very stable genius or idiot who was caught unaware? Or what, did the very stable genius realize what was happening but not do anything because it’s the governors’ job? This spin job doesn’t work.
Stop chugging the hydroxychloroquine.
Actually the hydroxychloroquine does help. Just saying. The only spin I see is trying to forget what the media, the Dem party, and Joe Biden said about a Trump closing down the country. Which appears from the conversation he didn’t have the power todo. Yet still gets blamed for not doing it earlier.
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But let’s blame trump?
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Man, I’ve seen some dumb ass trolls on message boards and forums since the birth of the internet, but we’ve got us a keeper here.
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@DanR let’s refrain from calling each other [edit] dumbasses. I can get extremely frustrated at @DoubleDD but at least he’s trying to have a conversation with people who have differing opinions which is more than we can say about our idiot president. And yes, if @theRealDonaldTrump became a user on here I guess I wouldn’t be allowed to call him an idiot anymore and my head would explode.
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@approxinfinity said in The democratic nominee:
@DanR let’s refrain from calling each other idiots. I can get extremely frustrated at @DoubleDD but at least he’s trying to have a conversation with people who have differing opinions which is more than we can say about our idiot president. And yes, if @theRealDonaldTrump became a user on here I guess I wouldn’t be allowed to call him an idiot anymore and my head would explode.
Ty appreciate the support I’m just offering a different point of view that’s all.
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@DanR I may have misread you. Was “troll” a person or an action in your post? Lol
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@DanR look at the date of my video that was mid February.
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@approxinfinity said in The democratic nominee:
@DanR I may have misread you. Was troll a person or an action in your post? Lol
Well if you want me to leave I can go? It’s your website. I can respect the wishes of the members.
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@DoubleDD the differentiation I’m making is that I read his post as calling you a dumbass troll. But he may have been saying your post was a dumbass troll. Maybe it’s semantics but I find the former more offensive. People can do dumb things and that doesn’t make them dumb. It leaves open the door to change. Humans are amazingly adaptable. That’s my point.
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To be honest I’m kind of offended. I’ve been a member of this website when it left kusports. Yet because I have some different points of view and Political believes somehow I’m a troll now? @approxinfinity I thought you created this political forum for a good conversation and debates. Yet it seems if you disagree with the core of the group well then you’re just a troll?
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@DoubleDD I do think your post was extremely misguided to @DanR 's point! Pelosi saying people shouldn’t be afraid of Chinatown has nothing to do with Donald Trump’s circus. Completely different and massive orders of magnitude more influential.
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@DoubleDD I think you are missing my point. I don’t think he should call you, the person, Mr DoubleDD a troll. However, calling your post a troll is different than calling you a troll in my mind. But it’s a nuance you may not see the difference in, and that’s fine. People have different sensibilities on that. Doesn’t matter.
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@approxinfinity said in The democratic nominee:
@DoubleDD I do think your post was extremely misguided to @DanR 's point! Pelosi saying people shouldn’t be afraid of Chinatown has nothing to do with Donald Trump’s circus. Completely different and massive orders of magnitude more influential.
Nobody is afraid of china town. The point is Nancy was holding a gathering in a public space without any thought to the virus. And this was mid February.
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Let that sink in?
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@DoubleDD @approxinfinity @DanR We have to be able to see it from the other side without insulting and fighting each other. There is truth to both sides. Have the Dems labeled virtually everything Trump has done including his initial China travel ban racist? Yes, without question. Has Trump back tracked and gave circular reasoning? Yes, without question.
