Poor Silvio
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jayhawkcsg said:
Really the annoying part of the entire process is that it’s not transparent.
Not a peep from the NCAA.
And that’s ridiculous. That’s why there’s so much animosity in this thread. We are all in the dark, waiting, speculating.
None of us have any idea if Self is holding Silvio out because that’s what he feels he needs to do, or if the NCAA is behind the scenes hinting that he should do so. Self won’t tell us the whole truth.
It’s all about student athletes and their right to privacy?
Great post. I believe the privacy laws prohibit both sides from talking while its on-going.
Transparency from the NCAA is fools gold. Just look at the rule book.
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Self said today there’s no movement on Silvio’s eligibility that would lead him to believe he plays anytime soon. Pretty much Nail in the Coffin at this point.
Says he “asks everyday” and the response is “working on it”.
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I won’t be surprised if SDS leaves and heads overseas like Billy did last year. There is no reason to sit on the bench and wast your time and talents. It is absolutely absurd that it has come to this, but I think SDS needs to at least be considering moving on.
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@BeddieKU23 who is working on it?
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@Crimsonorblue22 Bill said the school is working on it everyday, but he is not privy to that information.
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Woodrow said:
I won’t be surprised if SDS leaves and heads overseas like Billy did last year. There is no reason to sit on the bench and wast your time and talents. It is absolutely absurd that it has come to this, but I think SDS needs to at least be considering moving on.
As much as I think that’s a possibility Preston didn’t last long overseas, get drafted, or last long in the NBA for that matter. I think Silvio might be waiting to find out what his eligibility for next season would be before deciding on his future here.
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
@BeddieKU23 who is working on it?
Probably the same turds that worked on Diallo’s case.
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Woodrow said:
I won’t be surprised if SDS leaves and heads overseas like Billy did last year. There is no reason to sit on the bench and wast your time and talents. It is absolutely absurd that it has come to this, but I think SDS needs to at least be considering moving on.
I-have to agree with you - -I have been thinking this for awhile now. - - I really don’t understand why he still hangs around. - The only thing I can think of that some how some way that he knows he will be eligible and just waiting. - if we go through the entire season with no answer - he for sure will be gone - -eligible or no - -and I sure the hell don’t blame him
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Why would we think there is any chance he will play at this point? We lost a big and took a RS off a guard. We need the big more…and he will never get out of NCAA purgatory.
Well actually we need both, charlie is terrible!
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From the Athletic. For those that have full article may be able to elaborate.
Multiple sources have confirmed to The Athletic that Kansas is preparing to formally acknowledge to the NCAA that a violation took place, declare De Sousa ineligible and ask for his immediate reinstatement. The request is expected to be submitted to the NCAA’s Academic and Membership Affairs Group as early as this week.
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@BeddieKU23 Basically nothing more than that. Other than the penalty for $2500 payment is typically only 30% of a season. De Sousa has now missed 16 games.
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NCAA and Maryland didn’t find evidence of the 60,000
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So will this force the NCAA to action? Good grief why does KU have to make the dang NCAA get off it’s butt and do its job?!?
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I wouldn’t expect immediate action on the NCAA’s part unless they agree with what KU presents.
This report from the surface makes it seem KU held him out, did its own investigation and will give them the tools to re-instate him. They may have collaborated together so that KU doesn’t have to wait for the NCAA to say “we need more information”. A ruling could come quickly if that’s the case.
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The ruling of Miami’s Dewan Hernandez could be important here. A final appeal decision is due on his eligibility. Not that his or Silvio’s situation are the same but both involved money in different amounts and if the NCAA rules favorably or against Hernandez that could impact Silvio’s case
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I mean, we all know it was a violation and that penalties were likely coming. Might as well just admit to them, take whatever medicine is coming, and get our player back.
I think this also allows Silvio to get a Lawyer involved and usually when that happens, the NCAA tends to move a bit quicker.
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Took almost 3 months to get to this point… Further punishment would suck considering he’s sat 16 games already and will sit another at least.
Our rebounding woe’s would come to a hault awful quick if Silvio can enter the lineup.
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If I am understanding what Tait wrote it is that KU is now finally admitting a violation occurred, but they feel he has served enough time out and should be reinstated immediately.
I don’t want to get my hopes up, but damn SDS would help this team so much!
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@BeddieKU23 I firmly believe that adding another athlete turns this team back into a true title contender. Adding De Sousa would mean we will be able to move to a very solid 7 man rotation and have 5 athletes on the floor the entire game.
Just to refresh everyone’s memories, in games where he played 10 minutes or more, he averaged 8 points and 7 rebounds. He shot .681 and 2.8 offensive rebounds a game. Many of his advanced stats would be near the top of this team. His rebound percentage was 24% (Dedric who is a good rebounder is at 18%). De Sousa, if he improved any since last season, would likely be a major upgrade to Mitch, KJ and Big Dave.
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Let’s look at KU now … why are we just now prepared to formally acknowledge this? How about doing that at the same press conference where Self proclaimed himself free of any knowledge of third party inducements provided to our players? Conflicting narratives? I don’t know.
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Silvio is a difference maker in my opinion. We saw it with our own eyes last year as well. He’d certainly help us defensively on the glass and around the rim which where his two main strengths last year. Not getting my hopes up but there’s at least some hope we didn’t think was possible yesterday
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Maybe the guardian talked or they dug deep enough to find it out what happened?
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I’m wondering why Kansas is submitting a request for reinstatement now. Why not a few months ago?
Also, any guesses what Kansas’ punishment will be?
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Kcmatt7 said:
@BeddieKU23 I firmly believe that adding another athlete turns this team back into a true title contender. Adding De Sousa would mean we will be able to move to a very solid 7 man rotation and have 5 athletes on the floor the entire game.
Just to refresh everyone’s memories, in games where he played 10 minutes or more, he averaged 8 points and 7 rebounds. He shot .681 and 2.8 offensive rebounds a game. Many of his advanced stats would be near the top of this team. His rebound percentage was 24% (Dedric who is a good rebounder is at 18%). De Sousa, if he improved any since last season, would likely be a major upgrade to Mitch, KJ and Big Dave.
Dotson, Vick, Grimes, Garrett, Agbaji, Dedric, Silvio. KJ as the 8th man.
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KirkIsMyHinrich said:
I’m wondering why Kansas is submitting a request for reinstatement now. Why not a few months ago?
Also, any guesses what Kansas’ punishment will be?
“Over the last three months, Kansas has been working directly with members of the NCAA’s enforcement division to investigate the matter and agree upon a set of facts"
This could be why.
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It makes a huge difference if he plays. He’s one of the best rebounding players in the country; 16.9 rebounds per 40 minutes as a freshman and a total rebounding percentage (TRB%) of 24.0. For comparison, Zion Williamson averages 14.6 rebounds per 40 minutes and has a TRB% of 18.4. Silvio also shot 68% from the field and 71.4% from the free throw line last season. He can run the floor and finish at the rim and he plays good defense.
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BeddieKU23 said:
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
I’m wondering why Kansas is submitting a request for reinstatement now. Why not a few months ago?
Also, any guesses what Kansas’ punishment will be?
“Over the last three months, Kansas has been working directly with members of the NCAA’s enforcement division to investigate the matter and agree upon a set of facts"
This could be why.
If they’ve come to an agreement on a set of facts, is it wrong to think a decision should come quickly after Kansas submits a request for reinstatement?
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@KirkIsMyHinrich Dotson, Vick, Garrett, Agbaji, Silvio line-up. Put the other team in the meat locker defensively.
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And… they investigated the 60,000. Clean.
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@Crimsonorblue22 - now that’s an interesting thought!
It is possible KU isn’t admitting guilt (i.e., didn’t know about the $2,500 at the time) but now has established it as fact. Thus asking for resolution?
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Admitting guilt on the 2,500
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
Admitting guilt on the 2,500
Admitting KU knew or that Silvio and his guardian knew?
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I got the athletic for 7 days free. We could take turns.
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Admitting the guardian did it.
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Though Gassnola allegedly paid the money to De Sousa’s guardian without the player’s knowledge, he would still face a penalty because of the so-called “Cam Newton rule,” which was passed in 2012 and identifies a member of a player’s family as a de facto agent.
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KirkIsMyHinrich said:
I’m wondering why Kansas is submitting a request for reinstatement now. Why not a few months ago?
Also, any guesses what Kansas’ punishment will be?
vacated FF and B12. They will drag us through the mud I’d bet.
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Kcmatt7 said:
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
I’m wondering why Kansas is submitting a request for reinstatement now. Why not a few months ago?
Also, any guesses what Kansas’ punishment will be?
vacated FF and B12. They will drag us through the mud I’d bet.
I hope not.
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BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
@BeddieKU23 I firmly believe that adding another athlete turns this team back into a true title contender. Adding De Sousa would mean we will be able to move to a very solid 7 man rotation and have 5 athletes on the floor the entire game.
Just to refresh everyone’s memories, in games where he played 10 minutes or more, he averaged 8 points and 7 rebounds. He shot .681 and 2.8 offensive rebounds a game. Many of his advanced stats would be near the top of this team. His rebound percentage was 24% (Dedric who is a good rebounder is at 18%). De Sousa, if he improved any since last season, would likely be a major upgrade to Mitch, KJ and Big Dave.
Dotson, Vick, Grimes, Garrett, Agbaji, Dedric, Silvio. KJ as the 8th man.
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@KirkIsMyHinrich I would bet that is why we went through such lengths. But at this point, knowing he’d be retroactively ineligible for those games my guess is that is what happens and we are at least trying to get him eligible now.
But that’s just my guess.
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HighEliteMajor said:
Let’s look at KU now … why are we just now prepared to formally acknowledge this? How about doing that at the same press conference where Self proclaimed himself free of any knowledge of third party inducements provided to our players? Conflicting narratives? I don’t know.
Let’s fire him.
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It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Basically KU is admitting to him being ineligible during last years run and that he has sat enough to not warrant anymore of a penalty. So the question becomes does the NCAA clear him but take away last years run by forfeiting the games SDS played in? Basically all but 3 wins after he was cleared (January 13 was his first game) would be vacated along with the record 14 straight B12 titles and record 29 straight NCAA tournament appearances. I’d like to see Head Coach Bill Self fired if that happens, we have had some minor infractions in the past but never had wins vacated and it will put one Helluva black eye on this program. To make matters worse if plays out that way Zion is getting paid to play at Duke and UNC players can take fake class. NCAA=North Carolina Amnesty Association. I’m gonna be honest, this is scary to me and it could cripple Kansas Athletics beyond recovery. With conference realignment seeming inevitable yet again once the current media contract is up and if the football team is still struggling while the basketball team is a deep rebuild after several vacated accomplishments and a new coach. Hello mid major and not playing on national tv, which means not getting good recruits across the board in FB and BB.
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@Kcmatt7 Of course, an inflammatory comment made to distract from the point being made.
@kjayhawks It should scare you. I think the NCAA might have a bit bigger burr in its saddle if it thinks Self publically lied. We could be the example.
Which goes back to my “burn it down” strategy. Tell the NCAA if they want to hammer, so be it … but we know where the bodies are buried. Maybe hit us with the loss of a scholarship for a couple seasons, and be done with it.
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KirkIsMyHinrich said:
BeddieKU23 said:
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
I’m wondering why Kansas is submitting a request for reinstatement now. Why not a few months ago?
Also, any guesses what Kansas’ punishment will be?
“Over the last three months, Kansas has been working directly with members of the NCAA’s enforcement division to investigate the matter and agree upon a set of facts"
This could be why.
If they’ve come to an agreement on a set of facts, is it wrong to think a decision should come quickly after Kansas submits a request for reinstatement?
Depends on what you call quickly. I doubt this week. Slight chance before the end of next… With the NCAA, who knows LOL.
If the NCAA agrees on what KU submits then if his time served is sufficient it should be rather straightforward I would think…
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@HighEliteMajor We know we paid players through a 3rd party. We know Bill Self lied about it. Either follow through and demand he be fired or get over it and realize that he is our coach and not going anywhere.
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@Kcmatt7 I’m not sure we know that Self lied at this point even. It is questionable how much he knew but I still stand with letting him go if we have to give away wins and titles.
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This is about Silvio only. KU’s penalties if there is any will come after the season is over. KU will lawyer up for anything the NCAA tries to hand out.
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A lot of over reacting going on in here. Wow.
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Those who want Self fired, seriously think about who the next coach would be. Beard is going to UT or not leaving TTU. Bennett is likely staying on the East Coast.
Rick Pitino was just seriously considered for the UCLA job. Hoiberg seems to want to stay in the NBA.
If USA Basketball didn’t can him and the NABC didn’t can him I think that’s a pretty good sign that his internal reputation (those that know what goes on behind the scenes in CBB) think he’s a good coach. One slip up in 15 years is hardly something I’d be calling for a firing. You can question him for lying, but the truth is that there is likely nothing definitive that proves he told Adidas reps to pay anyone. But everyone knew what was happening. I just watched Law Abiding Citizen the other day, and this quote is applicable, “It’s not what you know, it’s what you can prove in court!”
If you think firing Bill and hiring anyone else will change something, please explain that to me. Because I can’t seem to see how it would change a single thing, other than we’d be letting go of a coach who wins at a pretty historical rate.
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@Kcmatt7 Hoiberg doesn’t like recruiting, so I’d want no part of him.
