FBI...here we go
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@1JayhawkLifer Certified as an amateur for initial eligibility is largely dependent on information provided by the recruit and his family. That means nothing if the NCAA finds out the submissions were fraudulent.
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@Lulufulu If that big could play for Arizona last season then everyone should be playing!
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Soooo, we’re going to see some Lawson/Lawson front line lineups if Silvio is ruled out. That means we could run a freaking 5 out offense. Dotson/Grimes/Vick/KJ/Dedric. Man oh man…that could be the best passing team we’ve ever seen.
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@KUSTEVE I don’t think we’d see them in the front court together very much even if SDS is ruled ineligible. KJ will mostly play the 3 this year and when he does play the 4 spot, it’ll be in place of his brother, not next to him, but that’s assuming Self doesn’t decide to play Mitch as the back up 4 if Silvio is ruled ineligible.
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
@KUSTEVE I don’t think we’d see them in the front court together very much even if SDS is ruled ineligible. KJ will mostly play the 3 this year and when he does play the 4 spot, it’ll be in place of his brother, not next to him, but that’s assuming Self doesn’t decide to play Mitch as the back up 4 if Silvio is ruled ineligible.
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If we don’t have Silvio its a huge loss, a huge shift in this team’s depth and the difference between being a championship contender
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@BeddieKU23 I think the difference is going from being a final four lock to being a championship contender…like most years.
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dylans said:
@BeddieKU23 I think the difference is going from being a final four lock to being a championship contender…like most years.
I would hardly call this bunch a Final 4 lock with so many new pieces. A lot of pre-season hype/expectations include Silvio being apart of that. This team may/probably will start two freshman in the backcourt which has its own set of growing pains. I think the sum of all of KU’s parts are better then the field but without Silvio its a big dent to the post depth Self was going to have.
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If Silvio is found ineligible how can KU keep supporting Adidas? Two players they allegedly paid are now caught up in this scandal.
The problem with ditching Adidas is the entire field is dirty. Nobody is clean. None of this dirty laundry will actually get fixed. SO does KU just go to the next dirty company and hope it doesn’t get caught in the cross hairs again? Or stick with the company having its dirty laundry aired out
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This team could lose Silvio and still be a championship contender. No doubt in my mind. Post depth is the least of my concerns. I’m much more worried about how Dotson looks running the show. Followed closely by the chemistry of this group. A lot of mouths to feed on this team.
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@BeddieKU23 Silvio is a very nice backup post player. McCormack is a step down, but a nice backup post player. Mitch is a different type of player and a step down from Silvio, but also a serviceable backup big. It should work out, the team is well constructed.
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BeddieKU23 said:
I would hardly call this bunch a Final 4 lock with so many new pieces. A lot of pre-season hype/expectations include Silvio being apart of that. This team may/probably will start two freshman in the backcourt which has its own set of growing pains. I think the sum of all of KU’s parts are better then the field but without Silvio its a big dent to the post depth Self was going to have.
Missing DeSousa and having Doke/lawson with McCormack/Lightfoot coming off the bench is still a pretty good 4 man front court rotation.
i agree about the Final 4 not being a lock.
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KU would miss De Sousa’s rebounding and energy. He’s probably the best rebounder among the Doke/Big Dave/Silvio group.
That said, KU would still be tough because the best 3 players on the team are probably still Grimes, D. Lawson and Doke, and they are all healthy and eligible.
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FF is never a lock unless you are 2012 UK or similar. It’s very rare.
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BeddieKU23 said:
If Silvio is found ineligible how can KU keep supporting Adidas? Two players they allegedly paid are now caught up in this scandal.
The problem with ditching Adidas is the entire field is dirty. Nobody is clean. None of this dirty laundry will actually get fixed. SO does KU just go to the next dirty company and hope it doesn’t get caught in the cross hairs again? Or stick with the company having its dirty laundry aired out
Gotta see how this all shakes out. As things currently stand, I’d just stick with Adidas.
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dylans said:
@BeddieKU23 Silvio is a very nice backup post player. McCormack is a step down, but a nice backup post player. Mitch is a different type of player and a step down from Silvio, but also a serviceable backup big. It should work out, the team is well constructed.
Arguments could have been made for starting Silvio ahead of Doke.
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
If Silvio is found ineligible how can KU keep supporting Adidas? Two players they allegedly paid are now caught up in this scandal.
The problem with ditching Adidas is the entire field is dirty. Nobody is clean. None of this dirty laundry will actually get fixed. SO does KU just go to the next dirty company and hope it doesn’t get caught in the cross hairs again? Or stick with the company having its dirty laundry aired out
Gotta see how this all shakes out. As things currently stand, I’d just stick with Adidas.
I think KU’s name has been put in the ringer enough to run as far away as we can. There is no solution but we can’t support a company that’s caused this and gotten caught doing so.
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Can’t really switch to Nike if the deal isn’t as good. Both are dirty and nothing will really change. We just need to get this sham case over with.
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BigBad said:
BeddieKU23 said:
I would hardly call this bunch a Final 4 lock with so many new pieces. A lot of pre-season hype/expectations include Silvio being apart of that. This team may/probably will start two freshman in the backcourt which has its own set of growing pains. I think the sum of all of KU’s parts are better then the field but without Silvio its a big dent to the post depth Self was going to have.
Missing DeSousa and having Doke/lawson with McCormack/Lightfoot coming off the bench is still a pretty good 4 man front court rotation.
i agree about the Final 4 not being a lock.
It is a good 4 man rotation. Just having anyone to sub in the post will be a luxury.
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dylans said:
@BeddieKU23 Silvio is a very nice backup post player. McCormack is a step down, but a nice backup post player. Mitch is a different type of player and a step down from Silvio, but also a serviceable backup big. It should work out, the team is well constructed.
Silvio gives the team a dimension no other team outside of Kentucky has, which is a starter level talent as a rotation piece.
When we talk about step down from one player to the next, the gap between Silvio to Mitch/Dave is significant. At least in my opinion its bigger then what some may think. We’ll see how it shakes out.
It wouldn’t be a KU season without fans worrying about which post player won’t be available to play
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I agree overall post depth is not as big of a concern.
If we are talking the difference between an early round exit or a trip to the Final 4 at the moment I would absolutely downgrade the chances of the latter without Silvio. His impact to the team definitely saved last season. I would love to see what impact he could give this team with the roster we have
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@BeddieKU23 Yea at this point switching is a waste. Honestly, this happening probably gave KU a TON of leverage in the new contract and we were able to write in some ridiculous clauses that either protected us from this happening again or at the very least paid the university handsomely if it did.
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Kcmatt7 said:
@BeddieKU23 Yea at this point switching is a waste. Honestly, this happening probably gave KU a TON of leverage in the new contract and we were able to write in some ridiculous clauses that either protected us from this happening again or at the very least paid the university handsomely if it did.
What monetary compensation would possibly make up for KU’s name being apart of this FBI investigation/trial?
I believe the sum was already well in the 8 figures right? I’m shocked we haven’t seen any movement here
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I feel like this topic gets discussed once a year and nothing has changed. KU is not going to switch from Adidas and the $190M contract they have offered. Adidas outfits ALL of our sport teams and no other company is going to do that. I don’t think people understand how big of a deal that is. KU is not leaving Adidas unless Nike or Under Armour make a earth shattering offer. Plain and simple.
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@BeddieKU23 I think it will be sort of a blessing in disguise, as I think KJ will pick up minutes at the 4 as well as the 3. This will in turn allow Vick to get more minutes. Lightfoot has certainly earned court time as well. It also accelerates Big Dave’s development, which will be important for next year. Yes, Silvio would’ve been nice, but I think we have plenty of options available who will do an outstanding job.
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BeddieKU23 said:
dylans said:
@BeddieKU23 Silvio is a very nice backup post player. McCormack is a step down, but a nice backup post player. Mitch is a different type of player and a step down from Silvio, but also a serviceable backup big. It should work out, the team is well constructed.
Silvio gives the team a dimension no other team outside of Kentucky has, which is a starter level talent as a rotation piece.
When we talk about step down from one player to the next, the gap between Silvio to Mitch/Dave is significant. At least in my opinion its bigger then what some may think. We’ll see how it shakes out.
It wouldn’t be a KU season without fans worrying about which post player won’t be available to play
It’s a huge drop from Silvio. Like you said, he is a starter level player. Dave and Prison Mitch are nice, quality back-ups at this time. I feel Dave can develop into a starter, but obviously not this season. So yeah, good depth and much better than recent years. It just wouldn’t be INSANE like it would be with Silvio.
If Silvio can play, KU and UK both have about 7-8 legit high quality starter type players.
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KUSTEVE said:
Lightfoot has certainly earned court time as well.
Has he, though?
If Mitch is playing more than 8 minutes a game, something went really wrong IMO. And that’s with Silvio at 0 minutes. If Silvio is good to go, Mitch shouldn’t play imo.
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KUSTEVE said:
@BeddieKU23 I think it will be sort of a blessing in disguise, as I think KJ will pick up minutes at the 4 as well as the 3. This will in turn allow Vick to get more minutes. Lightfoot has certainly earned court time as well. It also accelerates Big Dave’s development, which will be important for next year. Yes, Silvio would’ve been nice, but I think we have plenty of options available who will do an outstanding job.
I would hope its a blessing in disguise, its better then believing the alternative.
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There is plenty of depth and talent on the roster to absorb Silvio’s absence. I think some of you guys are way to high on a super raw 6’7 C. But that’s just how I view Silvio. To me, he is just Jamari Traylor 2.0.
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With Silvio KU is a pre-season top 2 team. Without Silvio it’s a pre-season top 5 team. The sky is definitely falling. Lol
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@Kcmatt7 Better than Jamari, but definitely raw. Silvio has more upsides imho. I think he could be one heck of a college player if given the chance. I don’t see how a guy not good enough to start craters your season though.
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Kcmatt7 said:
There is plenty of depth and talent on the roster to absorb Silvio’s absence. I think some of you guys are way to high on a super raw 6’7 C. But that’s just how I view Silvio. To me, he is just Jamari Traylor 2.0.
Strong disagree. In brief glimpses admittedly Silvio flashed much better than Jamari ever did.
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@BShark I think he is better than Jamari. Silvio is a PLUS rebounder. Like a freak rebounder.
But outside of that, their skill sets are extremely similar. A short Center with a limited offensive game who offers limited rim protection.
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I would classify him as a hybrid of Jamari Traylor and Thomas Robinson. He’s more skilled than Traylor I think.
Although it might not matter so.
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@KirkIsMyHinrich Bigger as well which is a plus. But yeah, probably won’t matter.
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BShark said:
Can’t really switch to Nike if the deal isn’t as good. Both are dirty and nothing will really change. We just need to get this sham case over with.
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jayballer73 said:
BIG BALLER - - WHERE ARE YOU ?LMAO - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Well, I just figured BigBaller was a distant member of your family, JayBaller…
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I would be surprised if Nike even wants to bid; it already has the big Mid West football programs under contract and while KU is Adidas’ flagship program it would not be Nike’s. That is not to say that Nike would not want to take Adidas top program but not at what Adidas pays, particularly when the football program is in such poor shape.
In any case, KU would be going from one corrupt shoeco to another.
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mayjay said:
jayballer73 said:
BIG BALLER - - WHERE ARE YOU ?LMAO - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Well, I just figured BigBaller was a distant member of your family, JayBaller
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hmmmm, We’ll see what that is all about today
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Lol, Vitale.
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BShark said:
Lol, Vitale.
Even better, his next post was saying he’s calling the opener vs Michigan St. No surprise but be prepapred
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@BeddieKU23 My mute button is ready! Even if it’s only symbolic, since I’ll be watching on a computer and just turning the volume down.
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I miss Max. I always muted the tv and listened to Max when he was calling the games.
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dylans said:
I miss Max. I always muted the tv and listened to Max when he was calling the games.
This was very doable with Bob too. Bob was awesome. Hanni…um…I’ll just not say anything.
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He’s rough. I really, really hope he isn’t a lifelong “voice of the jayhawks”
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@BShark Really, my only problem with Hanni is his voice.
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@DanR Seems like a big issue for a radio guy.
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I like hanni. I’ve talked to him a few times. Is it his voice? He really does his homework, and he’s super friendly and loves his job.
