2020 Recruiting
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Have you seen Ty Berry play at all?
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alwaysajayhawk said:
Have you seen Ty Berry play at all?
Personally, no. But I’ve gotten a lot of feedback from people who have. And those are KU’s thoughts. So take it up with Self if you think Berry is better than the guys I listed.
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@alwaysajayhawk is he staying w/newton next year? Does he like the coach?
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@FarmerJayhawk oh okay. The kid can flat out play though. I’m not saying that he is better than the kids that you named, but I will hate to see the best player in Kansas ( 2020 ) go out the state or to WSU or K state, that’s all I’m saying
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Marco said:
HighEliteMajor said:
@Marco You said, “… fill out the rest of the roster with top 20 to 75 guys.” Your point is one that I have discussed here on multiple occasions. I think it is a good one. I firmly believe that the key is that the coach has to make a commitment to the players outside of OAD range (up to a certain level) that he will never recruit over them with a presumed OAD. Committing to avoiding the presumed OAD is the key. That is completely realistic. It’s as simple as doing it. Further, it would set a tenor for the program, it would free up a massive amount of time that was otherwise spent chasing the next Andrew Wiggins, and most of all, it would fit better with Bill Self as a coach. If a school like KU focuses on that range of recruits, I fail to see how we can’t land a nice crop each season.
@BShark I think sometimes we confuse the “fielding the best team” with pursuing presumed OADs. I firmly believe presumed OADs don’t make the best “team.”
I totally agree.
That is (prior recruiting whiffs aside) one of the things that I like most about this class, landing Braun, Enaruna and McBride. He locked those guys in, and now looks likely to also land Hampton and Wilson. Not too shabby - talent, depth, and (Hampton aside) four multi-year guys.
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justanotherfan said:
Saying you won’t recruit over guys is impossible. Saying that you won’t recruit over a certain level is impossible. KU recruits the top players because KU is a top school that can recruit the top players. If KU avoids recruiting those players, they risk missing out on more than just OADs.
I actually just saw this. The point made contrary to this is promising a kid that you won’t recruit over him with a presumed OAD. It’s not that you won’t recruit over him. It’s just that you won’t bring in the one year (alleged) wonder like Wiggins to send him to the bench — the presumed OAD.
As is, recruits see a so-so player like Grimes PROMISED a starting spot. And a reasonable wonder is, will that happen to them their junior or senior season? Well it won’t outside of about 8-10 programs that get these drama queens. So that makes a program like KU less attractive.
Again, non-presumed OADs? Sure. But not presumed OAD that requires promises, as they all generally do.
That is the approach that would be key and helpful to landing more kids in the range discussed. If they knew that they would be able to compete and not face a guy PROMISED a starting spot, that would make KU much more attractive.
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@HighEliteMajor It’s a double edged sword. Don’t offer a spot/minutes and you miss guys. Recruiting is a tough balance and there is a reason that it’s always a handful of coaches/programs at the top with sustained excellence.
@FarmerJayhawk I can see the point of the staff on it. I really like all the guards you listed and have mentioned them before. But also in that post I don’t see a ton of harm in offering and taking Berry early if he wants to be a Jayhawk. It really boils down to how many guards KU is going to need to take.
One last thing is that I think Self has been bitten more often than not with super early commitments in the past, these are ones I can remember…
Peters: development plateaued, some weird crap went down and eventually he quit basketball
Jacobs: development plateaued and also didn’t really grow at all, got recruited over (McBride) before even enrolling and ended up at Depaul
Woolridge: not sure what the deal was here, but he wasn’t good
Frankamp: not really B12 level
Brannen Greene: actually one of the most successful really early commits, which says a lot
So maybe Bill wants to mainly wait to take kids until they are SRs in HS.
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@Crimsonorblue22 I haven’t heard anything solid, but I’m hearing that he is thinking about going to prep school for his senior year
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alwaysajayhawk said:
@Crimsonorblue22 I haven’t heard anything solid, but I’m hearing that he is thinking about going to prep school for his senior year
I think this would be a really good idea. It’s so hard to tell how good kids are against KS HS competition. Even fringe guys just crush it usually. Frankamp broke records iirc and he didn’t even have a huge impact at WSU.
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alwaysajayhawk said:
@Crimsonorblue22 I haven’t heard anything solid, but I’m hearing that he is thinking about going to prep school for his senior year
I dig this move. I loooove KS HS sports (7 letters here!) but the level of competition is garbage.
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@FarmerJayhawk IMG or Sunrise
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BShark said:
@HighEliteMajor It’s a double edged sword. Don’t offer a spot/minutes and you miss guys. Recruiting is a tough balance and there is a reason that it’s always a handful of coaches/programs at the top with sustained excellence.
@FarmerJayhawk I can see the point of the staff on it. I really like all the guards you listed and have mentioned them before. But also in that post I don’t see a ton of harm in offering and taking Berry early if he wants to be a Jayhawk. It really boils down to how many guards KU is going to need to take.
One last thing is that I think Self has been bitten more often than not with super early commitments in the past, these are ones I can remember…
Peters: development plateaued, some weird crap went down and eventually he quit basketball
Jacobs: development plateaued and also didn’t really grow at all, got recruited over (McBride) before even enrolling and ended up at Depaul
Woolridge: not sure what the deal was here, but he wasn’t good
Frankamp: not really B12 level
Brannen Greene: actually one of the most successful really early commits, which says a lot
So maybe Bill wants to mainly wait to take kids until they are SRs in HS.
Berry is a keeper… An in-state PG as good as he is needs to - even if we offered would he sign? That is how good he is - be a Jayhawk. Don’t forget, though we would presumably (if he signs) not have Hampton we would still have McBride who like Berry I say is way underrated. That would be a great PG rotation, perhaps splitting time and getting equal minutes while pressuring the ball at both ends. I don’t necessarily think that we should bypass recruiting players like Hampton or Grimes or Wiggins, but do know that signing an Enaruna or a Berry along the way is worth its weight in gold. We haven’t really had any depth the past few seasons.
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I definitely agree with that assessment, but I don’t know if Berry is totally committed to KU either.
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@Marco I need to see more of Berry. I think McBride can be a contributor eventually because his jump shot is elite. I just don’t know yet if Berry appears to have any elite attributes. If anyone here has watched him play they would easily know more than the those of us that haven’t.
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@BShark I saw him in the Under armour tournament in Kansas city last month, a lot bigger than I imagined he would be ( about 6" 4 with muscle) nice handles and a very smooth stroke from the outside, I was highly impressed !
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Cunningham getting a lot of Okie St smoke. Wow.
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Look out below!
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FarmerJayhawk said:
Look out below!
Lol, you posted this about Walker/KU too and I’m not 100% sure what it means. :p
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BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Look out below!
Lol, you posted this about Walker/KU too and I’m not 100% sure what it means. :p
Bags are dropping!
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I hope he goes to Okie Lite if not Kansas. dook and UK were on him like flies on shit
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@FarmerJayhawk Ok that makes a lot of sense. It was more or less my assumption, but always good to clarify.
T mentioned K “w/e it takes to get him in Lawrence” T is running point on Walker, so uh…I think your math checks out there!
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FarmerJayhawk said:
I hope he goes to Okie Lite if not Kansas. dook and UK were on him like flies on shit
Honestly wouldn’t hate the Big 12 becoming completely badass. KU would still make the tournament and the tougher league could help development.
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BShark said:
@FarmerJayhawk Ok that makes a lot of sense. It was more or less my assumption, but always good to clarify.
T mentioned K “w/e it takes to get him in Lawrence” T is running point on Walker, so uh…I think your math checks out there!
Oh yes. Adidas would love to keep Walker in the family. I’ve heard Todd’s recruitment is not exactly above board, being in Raleigh and all. UNC isn’t really competing that hard for him. I have a hard time thinking he’ll go anywhere that can’t make it worth his while.
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Theory: Nike knows it is under the microscope so now it has to spread the love around a little more and not just Duke, UK, UNC, Oregon, and LSU…
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Made Cunningham’s top 10. I think we’re in the top tier.
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2021 daron Holmes has been offered by ku
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FarmerJayhawk said:
Made Cunningham’s top 10. I think we’re in the top tier.
What’s your thoughts on Oklahoma St? What’s driving that, connections or cash
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FarmerJayhawk said:
Made Cunningham’s top 10. I think we’re in the top tier.
The school are Duke uk Kansas unc Memphis Oklahoma state Washington Virginia Texas Florida
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BeddieKU23 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Made Cunningham’s top 10. I think we’re in the top tier.
What’s your thoughts on Oklahoma St? What’s driving that, connections or cash
Some of both. He’s a Texas kid so I can see the appeal of playing close to home.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
BeddieKU23 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Made Cunningham’s top 10. I think we’re in the top tier.
What’s your thoughts on Oklahoma St? What’s driving that, connections or cash
Some of both. He’s a Texas kid so I can see the appeal of playing close to home.
I’m just surprised that’s an actual school hes considering behind the scenes. I never gave it thought he wasnt going anywhere but a blue blood so this is surprising
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@BShark is he being sarcastic there? I honestly can’t tell what Slater is trying to say…
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Woodrow said:
@BShark is he being sarcastic there? I honestly can’t tell what Slater is trying to say…
I’m not fully sure. The other insinuation is because it went so poorly with Cheick.
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So Question , wondering what would be so wrong with us trying to get back involved with Zach Harvey? - -kid from Topeka/well was from Topeka. - He had that incident with pics and sending texts or something - but that’s all over with now right? - What would be so wrong with trying to pick that back up again # 39 in the class of 2020 – just curious. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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jayballer73 said:
So Question , wondering what would be so wrong with us trying to get back involved with Zach Harvey? - -kid from Topeka/well was from Topeka. - He had that incident with pics and sending texts or something - but that’s all over with now right? - What would be so wrong with trying to pick that back up again # 39 in the class of 2020 – just curious. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I THINK WE ARE NOT IN THE PIC WITH HIM NOMORE
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Reminder: 2020 unlike 18 and 19 is a LOADED class. Let’s make it a big one Bill.
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Yes ,you are right 2020 is definitely a loaded class, lots of talent
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Sounds like Okie Lite is going to hire Cade Cunningham’s brother as an assistant.
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@FarmerJayhawk that stinks! For a year?
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FarmerJayhawk said:
Sounds like Okie Lite is going to hire Cade Cunningham’s brother as an assistant.
rofl
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KU has recently offered and looks to be recruiting Top 50 PG Karim Mane of Canada. A 6’5 PG might fit the combo mold Self likes to recruit. Will be one to monitor
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@BShark heard he was a videographer for Tulane?
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BeddieKU23 said:
KU has recently offered and looks to be recruiting Top 50 PG Karim Mane of Canada. A 6’5 PG might fit the combo mold Self likes to recruit. Will be one to monitor
Yes please.
Edit: He seems genuinely interested.
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https://247sports.com/Season/2020-Basketball/RecruitRankings/?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool
New 2020 player rankings. Bryce Thompson jumped all the way up to #19!! Jumped 70 spots.
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@Woodrow He’s really freaking good. Bill needs to close this one.
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Yeah Bryce is definitely a hooper
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Really seems like he made that jump from last yr. I think showing he can play PG with his scoring ability has changed his ceiling
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Who thought that Thompson would jump that high? I sure the hell didn’t. But I have always liked Thompson and hope that we can sign him, maybe get him, Berry and a guy like Xavier Foster come November - get 'em wrapped early. Going to be real tough - if not close to impossible - to get Foster out of Iowa, though.
Isaiah Cottrell, Kyree Walker, Bryce Thompson and Ty Berry? I’d take that in a heartbeat. If that class were to somehow fall in place we would still need one more big.
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If Duke came calling, Foster would teleport out of Iowa.
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BShark said:
If Duke came calling, Foster would teleport out of Iowa.
You’re right.
