Draft Declarations Thread
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Why do you think his numbers are average and he is inconsistent? His numbers are better than those of Ron Baker and Fred VanVleet in their final year at WSU and both are playing in the NBA.
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@JayHawkFanToo Wrong Fred averaged 13 points, 4.5 rebounds and 5 assists during at WSU. Baker averaged 15 points, 4.5 rebounds and 2.5 assists. Shamet averages 15 points, 3 rebounds and 5 assists all while averaging less blocks and steals with more turnovers. Shamet basically was better in point average, not to mention Baker has averaged 15 minutes, 3 points in only 81 games played in his 2 year NBA career and probably is done when is contract is up or will be sent to the G league before that. VanVleet had a decent season averaging 20 minutes and 7 points this past year but I really don’t know comparing Shamet to these guys in which one wasn’t even drafted bodes well for him being great and sticking around the NBA, at least those of us with common sense that is.
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@kjayhawks To be fair, Baker’s second season was marred by an orbital socket injury, and ended for him with shoulder surgery in Feb.
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@mayjay true but he want play much before that or the season before.
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No, my numbers are correct. Final season at WSU for junior Shamet, senior Baker and sophomore VanVlett.
- Shamet - 14.9 ppg, 5.2 app, 3.2 rpg, .560 from 2 and .442 from 3
- VanVleet - 12.2 ppg, 5.5 apg, 3.2 rpg, .396 from 2 and .381 from 3
- Baker - 14.0 ppg, 3.2 apg, 4.8 rpg, .424 from 2 and .350 from 3
As I posted, the numbers for Shamet for his last season at WSU are better than those of Baker and VanVleet in their last seasons at WSU.
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@JayHawkFanToo besides they had better steals and less turnovers. You’d have a point if VanVleet or Baker were doing anything in the NBA, Shamet’s stats are only better in shooting, Rebounds are the same, assists are more, steals are more, blocks are more and turnovers are less for Fred. Being better in 3 of 8 stat columns doesn’t equal better seems how 5 is more than 3. Time will tell, I’ll get you some crow pie.
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So, you don’t think he will be drafted?
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@JayHawkFanToo I think he’ll get drafted late first round, early second just don’t believe he’ll be around long.
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Shamet has the advantage of being a PG (Baker is an undersized SG) and being bigger than Van Vleet. That size and positional difference affects his draft potential and overall prospect value.
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Danny Manning suffers another brutal loss this off-season as his would be Sr guard Crawford has elected to stay in the draft.
Makes sense after they signed a grad transfer guard not too long ago.
Danny’s miracles are running dry
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Why hasn’t Dok made his intentions known publicly? Are there more tryouts in the next couple of days?
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@dylans The deadline to withdraw from the draft is tomorrow – so we should know within 24 hrs or so. Hope the big boy is back.
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@HighEliteMajor Me too! Only reason I posted. Like Christmas Eve as a kid.
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Last year Svi waited until 10 minutes or so from the deadline…just sayin’
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@JayHawkFanToo Good point. Dok’s potiental impact on next years team is greater than any player in recent memory, so I guess I’m on pins and needles.
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Donte Divencenzo stays in the draft. Big blow to Nova. No wonder Cremo went there
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BeddieKU23 said:
Donte Divencenzo stays in the draft. Big blow to Nova. No wonder Cremo went there
Yeah I feel this was set in stone when Cremo popped for them.
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Absolutely, all falling into place now
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The only question now is if there will be any issues with Silvio. I think it is 80%-90% that he will be eligible and play; I would be surprised if he does not play. The way our judicial system works Silvio will be long gone before the FBI indictment makes it to trial.
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Reid Travis is withdrawing from the draft and will be grad transfer. Sounds like he is heading to Kentucky. Enormous addition for them. He would have been first team all PAC 12 next year.
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Omari Spellman staying in the draft. Great day.
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BShark said:
Omari Spellman staying in the draft. Great day.
Yes it is. Let the beatdown in Lawrence commence.
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Woodrow said:
Reid Travis is withdrawing from the draft and will be grad transfer. Sounds like he is heading to Kentucky. Enormous addition for them. He would have been first team all PAC 12 next year.
Nova is involved as well. Look for them to make a push now that Spellman is gone.
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A blow to Turgeon at Maryland. Kevin Huerter stays in the draft after seeing his stock go way up during the process. Couldn’t happen to a better group of fans
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The forgotten Porter returns to Methzu
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Clemson’s guard duo of Mitchell & Reed returns for their final season…
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BeddieKU23 said:
A blow to Turgeon at Maryland. Kevin Huerter stays in the draft after seeing his stock go way up during the process. Couldn’t happen to a better group of fans
Not even going to be top 25 now. RIP
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@BeddieKU23 wasn’t he (porter) predicted to go first round? I thought I saw that and couldn’t figure that out!
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@Crimsonorblue22 This is Jontay. Projected late 1st or 2nd. Michael remains in the draft.
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@mayjay I wasn’t to impressed w/him.
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@mayjay body fat % 13.85
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Jontay has lots of potential. He is tall, can rebound and can shoot from outside which makes him a stretch forward that the NBA seems to like nowadays…and he is still pretty young. I would think he would be selected in the first round based on potential alone but, with a good year at MU, he could definitely go lottery next year.
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Brian Bowen goes pro after the ncaa ruled him at minimum ineligible for next season. Ouch.
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Liddell Wigginton returns to Iowa St.
Wenyen Gabriel leaves Kentucky but PJ Washington returns. Ugh
Tyus Battle returns to Syracuse ensuring another bubble year in which they make the tourney and overachieve
Charles Matthews returns to Michigan. Huge for them.
Tyler Cook returns to Iowa
Ethan Happ returns to Wisconsin
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@BeddieKU23 Considering that Bowen was cleared by the NCAA of any direct involvement in the $19,500 received by his dad from Adidas, and that he already lost his freshman year after Louisville held him out, this does not bode well for Silvio.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Liddell Wigginton returns to Iowa St.
Wenyen Gabriel leaves Kentucky but PJ Washington returns. Ugh
Tyus Battle returns to Syracuse ensuring another bubble year in which they make the tourney and overachieve
Charles Matthews returns to Michigan. Huge for them.
Tyler Cook returns to Iowa
Ethan Happ returns to Wisconsin
Vanderbilt stayed in the draft too.
Surprised at players like Wigginton waiting until the last day.
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No reason to withdraw beforehand. Just hold out for someone to call up and give you a guarantee.
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It doesn’t look good. I wonder what the basis was for ruling him to sit a 2nd year at minimum. Pretty crazy, not something I agree with and I’m not surprised this was the ruling
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I’m glad we avoided the Vanderbilt fiasco. Watching his AAU games he had red flags galore.
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Are we talking on court red flags or off the court red flags? On the court, Vanderbilt is a nice player. 6-8, athletic guy that can handle the ball a little, pass, shoot from the midrange and rebound. He’s not a ball hog or anything. He never tapped into a lot of that at Kentucky, but he only played 14 games for Kentucky, so that’s to be expected. He was grabbing almost 8 boards a game in just 17 minutes. KU could have used a rebounder like that last year. He missed so much time due to injury that its hard to say what he is or could have been.
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Both actually. Maybe not off-the-court issues in regards to eligibility concerns, more character concerns watching him play.
No doubt Vanderbilt is a talent, and built for the modern NBA if he can find a team that will invest in him. Is he really ready? I would say not even close. But its his decision to make. At Kentucky he was already over-recruited anyway.
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
@mayjay body fat % 13.85
On the other hand I heard on the pod cast today about Doke - he was at 7.59 body fat. - They said for somebody his size to be under 8 % body fat was just insane.
They brought up some interesting points today on the pod cast they said for instance : KU is not going to have Doke , they are not going to try to develop a jumper from him during the year, they may work with him in practice but they don’t want him trying to shoot jumpers during the game. Kind of makes sense at this point , they know where they want him at KU and that is down low close to the rim. - -They are quite happy with his production last year.- Again he can work on developing his jumper during practice so come that next level
They also said They think the NBA they will not expect him to develop a shot. - - - hmmmm interesting. - they said the NBA realizes OK this is what we are getting they won’t expect him for his jumper - they will rely more on the occasional pick and roll - but they are not going to be looking for him to try and shoot jumpers over Jo Jo and guys like that - they aren’t depending on him for a lot of offense as again they realize what they are getting in Doke. - Interesting thoughts.
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If the expectation from NBA folks is that he won’t develop a shot, what is Azubuike returning to Lawrence to work on, exactly? That’s not meant as an attack for you (or even a question, really). It’s more of just me wondering.
If Azubuike isn’t working on expanding his offensive game beyond dunks and short jumphooks, and if his conditioning is improved already, as indicated by the body fat numbers, then I don’t know how he improves his draft stock with another year at KU.
That makes some sense. Body language is important, though I will offer the caveat that judging body language and such in high school is difficult because of the talent disparity and role differences. A guy may be a high character, hard working player in high school as the leading scorer and superstar, but become frustrated and angry in college when asked to be a role player.
I myself was a role player in high school. One of the reasons why I had the opportunity to play in college (though I ultimately left the team after a semester for other reasons) when some of my other, more acclaimed high school teammates did not is because I was already used to being a role player. I was a good enough athlete to play in college, and I was able to step into that role. I wasn’t trying to go from being a guy that got 15 shots a game to a guy that might only get one or two because I wasn’t one of our top scorers in high school anyway. There was very little change for me. Our leading scorer (from high school) struggled a bit in college because he went from being “the man” to being a backup that was expected to just defend and screen for the top scorers.
Obviously, none of this means that a guy with a bad attitude is suddenly going to become a team first guy. It’s just to point out that just because a guy is one way in high school or on the AAU circuit, doesn’t mean that is who he will be in college on a different team with different expectations and responsibilities.
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I can’t remember what game it was I saw of Vanderbilt on the circuit but it was hard to believe he was being reputed as a Top 10 talent at the time. I’m also aware that AAU ball is not the best setting to form judgement on kids so I always have to keep that in mind. What I saw of him was not flattering and it stuck with me. It didn’t surprise me that he played a handful of games and then left Kentucky. But that’s the Kentucky way. It also reminds me of my initial judgement. Maybe he’s doing the best thing for his career. If he gets healthy and finds a team and develops he’s certainly what the modern NBA wants from a hybrid wing/forward position. I can just imagine that if he ended up at KU and did this we would probably be a bit upset given he basically did nothing he was touted to do this season. Of course the injury played a big part of it. This would look like Diallo all over again.
Good backstory as well!
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The Martin twins plus big man Caroline returned to Nevada. With the returning talent, incoming freshman Jordan Brown and transfers this is a loaded squad. Top 5 good.
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@justanotherfan I wondered too. - -I just read another article just a couple of minutes ago and a Veteran NBA assistant from the Eastern division said the biggest things Doke needed to work on wasn.t on the offensive end BUT the defensive end. He said with all the pick and rolls and switching off a big needed to be able to learn how to defend the smaller guy - - he gave an example of some big ending up guarding Steph Curry in the playoffs making him pass the ball off I just can’t remember the big’s name.
He was also talking about in the NBA how bigs need to be able to dribble - -pass and then shoot also - -the writer said the sooner people come to realize the reason Doke came back wasn’t because of the offensive end - or lack of a jumper - the sooner people realizer that the better off they will be - -it’s mostly on the defensive end.
Their were obviously things they would like to see improve like most obvious - -his free throw shooting - -but then also like becoming more like 10 rebound per game player - possibly improving protecting the rim going like from 60 blocks to 100 blocks – the assistant said that there is a place for a person like Doke just had these things to work on - - interesting
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BeddieKU23 said:
The Martin twins plus big man Caroline returned to Nevada. With the returning talent, incoming freshman Jordan Brown and transfers this is a loaded squad. Top 5 good.
This isn’t meant to be a hot take, even though it will sound like one. Nevada, with those guys returning, is Final Four caliber good.
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Yep. Low key top 5 team.
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Here’s a weird one. Lagerald Vick withdrew from the draft. Methinks he’s going overseas and will enter the draft next year.
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Doke is still a below average rebounder and not nearly as good a rim protector as he could be, a result no doubt of his low (but improved) basketball IQ including his lack of positional awareness that makes him be at the wrong place more often than it should. There is little doubt that he will be much better in all these areas with an extra year and will be a much improved defender to go with his scoring skill at or near the basket.
