It's Official - KU #1
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@jayballer54 you never know with the east coast bias, UNC, Nova could be #1 and Gonzaga still has just the one loss after Saturday. I feel like we have bad lucky at 1.
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@KUSTEVE KU will always be Number 1 to me!
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Just give KU a path through Tulsa and KC. I like CBS’s current projection for KU’s path although I realize CBS is definitely not the most accurate. SCar/Xavier as our 8/9 (A Frank Martin match up would be fun), Cincy/Purdue as our 4/5 seed, and Arizona/FSU as our 2/3 seeds. I’d like KU’s chances with that path. FSU would still be a match up issue, but they’re struggling pretty badly right now.
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http://assemblycall.com/ncaa-tournament-bracket-projections-feb-21-2017/ This is the guy who has been rated as the top bracketologist for the past few years and I’d take this path as well. Miami and USC as the 8/9, UCLA and Notre Dame as the 4/5, and Louisville and Kentucky as the 2/3 seeds. If we got UK and Louisville as our 2/3, whoever won that won would probably be pretty mentally drained from playing that game again this year. This was last updated on Feb. 21 and UCLA has beaten Arizona in Tucson since then so I would imagine UCLA is probably in the driver’s seat for a 2 seed right now and possibly even the West’s 1 seed if Gonzaga slips up in the WCC tournament.
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@drgnslayr I like it man! I’m sure our seniors are tired of losing also.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 yeah, wouldn’t want to be in the same region as UCLA. They are pretty much unstoppable on a good night. They would want to be out west anyway.
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@HawkChamp One of the toughest gyms in our league to play at… I actually thought it was worse before they expanded/enlarged it, Seemed like the sides went straight up & very claustrophobic feeling. Plus nutty fans always are super juiced for a shot at Bill & the Hawks. Add in the freakin mascot shooting that damn blank pistol on the floor close to the action & it’s unnerving as hell to play in that hole. Don’t know if they still allow pistol peete the freedom to fire that thing but I HATED IT… Absolute worst place in the old big 8 far as I was concerned. If you win there you earn it.
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Wow, that looks like one of the worst brackets I could imagine for us. I hope it’s waaayyy off.
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So does the zags loss take Few out of NCOY discussion?
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@Blown No way. Still deserved to be considered. Win? Maybe not.
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@KUSTEVE ISU fans are total morons
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@Crimsonorblue22 One game at a time.
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@mayjay poorly worded. I should have said will he win, not taken out of discussion.
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#1 , 3 or 25 they are going to be gunning for us and Coach. I say we go in #1 with them knowing who and what we are and finish the regular season like we are capable of! Coming in the back door with our jerseys covered and being #3 doesn’t do anything for me, we are KU and we just need to go in andkick some stoolwater behinds!
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@autohawk …go in with them knowing who we are…
BWKU!
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it’s official! we have the talent, just need to keep our focus and win out the regular season and get ready for the NCAA tournament.
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Just show team this.
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What a surprise 4 ACC teams in the top 8. I don’t get why all the love for Virginia, they have 9 effin’ loses and tied for 7th in the ACC.
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#1 RPI
#1 AP
#1 USA Today (coaches)
#1 CBS Power Rankings
#1 College Basketball Talk (NBC)
#1 Bleacher Report
#9 ESPN BPI
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Here is a look at the conference standings with the non-con record in bold. The top 8 teams in the conference have gone 90-13. Even the 3 bubble teams have gone 34-5 in their non-con games and 31 of their combined 36 loses have come in conference play.
No question that the the conference is the toughest and the intra-conference blood bath appears to back this up. When you see teams like Clemson with its 14-14 and 4-9 conference record as bubble teams, I still think the Big 12 should get 7 teams in.
Safely in the NCAA teams
- #1 Kansas: 14-2 , 26-3 ==>12-1
- #10 West Virginia: 11-5, 23-6 ==> 12-1
- #24 Iowa State: 11-5 , 19-9 ==> 8-4
- #11 Baylor: 10-6, 23-6 ==> 13-0
- Oklahoma State: 9-7 , 20-9 ==> 11-2
Bubble Teams:
- Kansas State: 6-10, 17-12 ==> 11-2
- TCU: 6-10, 17-12 ==> 11-2
- Texas Tech: 5-11, 17-12 ==> 12-1
No chance teams:
- Oklahoma: 4-12, 10-18 ==> 6-6
- Texas: 4-12, 10-19 ==> 6-7
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Thank you BYU!!
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Who believes that we are the best team?
I think we’re in the same group as NC, UCLA, Villanova, Gonzaga, and perhaps Louisville. Not a lot of difference. Flaws with each team.
That said, I wouldn’t trade places with any team.
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The computer systems don’t like KU…except for Massey that now has KU as #2.
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@HighEliteMajor I agree with the list you comprised. Although I may have Oregon in there or atleast first on the next tier…I’m not sure I can say any team is definitively the best team… there’s nobody standing out. I think we do have the most top 5 wins. Couple very nice road wins in there. But is Baylor really a top 5 team? They account for 2 of those wins. Is Kentucky really a top 5 team? There’s another… and while I know I’ll get chastised for this… I really don’t think the Big12 is very good this year. For all the talk of how good the league is top to bottom etc… the noncon record is very good. No question there. But I think it’s another year where we will yet again see the league isn’t that great when it really matters. Here in about 2 weeks… And I’ll just go ahead and preemptively say, for those who wish to label the tourney a crapshoot. Please save it. Unless you have some logic behind why other conferences are much better crapshooters.
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If you don’t think the Big 12 is that good then you are in the minority. Just abut every conference ranking I have seen, including Sagarin and Massey, have the Big 12 as the top conference.
Let’s look at one of the more popular rankings, Ken Pomeroy…
- 4 teams in the top 20.
- 5 teams in the top 23 - that is half of the conference in the top 23
- 8 teams in the to 40
- Lowest ranked team is Texas at #75. Oklahoma is #64
The entire conference is ranked in the top 21% of all Division I schools.
Can you find another conference with better numbers?
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@JayHawkFanToo said:
The computer systems don’t like KU…except for Massey that now has KU as #2.
They don’t like KU as much - because we won a lot of close games. That’s just the way predictive systems tend to work.
My point was, the BPI is not an “alternative fact” adjusted to make KU look bad.
In 2008 when KU was steamrolling everybody, we were very high up on kenpom - because we blew teams out.
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I know how they work, I have looked in detail at the algorithms and there are things such as the luck factor used by Ken Pomeroy that does not make sense. The issue with some of the computer models is that they are developed by statisticians that look just a the numbers and their knowledge of the game itself is not that good so they don’t consider other factors like humans do.
The ESPN BPI was developed with the premise that it would correct the problems of the other computers systems and it ended up being not that much different. that’s all.
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@mayjay “One of these things is not like the other, one of these things just doesn’t belong”…here, sing with me…
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@cragarhawk said:
There’s another… and while I know I’ll get chastised for this… I really don’t think the Big12 is very good this year
I hear you. It sure seems good this year (as it has in years past) but the B12 seems to do poorly after the first round or two every year. Below are a couple of charts I got from this article:
But then again, I don’t really care about the rest of our conference that much, I just want us to win it all this year!
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@JayHawkFanToo hey I hear it all across the board. I get that I’m in the minority there. I thank you for the time you put into that. It’s much appreciated. And it looks terrific on paper honestly. The Big12 actually looks terrific on paper. However, it has in the past as well. Personally I judge on tourney success. Which has been lacking in my opinion by in large. Multiple years where the numbers did suggest the Big12 was the best conference. Right now for me it’s much like KU winning the Big12 every year… Until someone proves to me that they got a team good enough to stop that. I’m never gonna believe it. Likewise until the league performs in March. I’m probably not gonna give it alot of credit. But I’m also not saying that has to be everyone’s barometer of conference strength. I can be in the minority on that as well. It’s just my opinion
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@cragarhawk do you think, keep in mind I hear you, that we beat the crap out of each other every game? Other conferences get some games off?
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@Crimsonorblue22 it’s possible certainly. Maybe keeps them a lil fresher for a deeper run. That could be. On the other hand I’ve always heard you’re only as good as your competition. So in theory if you play the best teams in the country more often. You should be a better team for it. By that logic only of course.
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@cragarhawk I’ve thought about it before, but I read it somewhere else the other day.
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@cragarhawk I agree, it’s hard for me to say that the big 12 is great if they don’t perform in March. The norm has been 60%-70% of the teams get in, which is good but other than last year we hadn’t had a FF team since 2012. If the B12 wants to be compared to the ACC we have to get more FFs. The same token to us, if want to be compared to dook we have to win more titles. That’s just how it is, like it or not.
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I really don’t care about the Big 12. I care about Kansas only, and how we do in the tourney. If the rest of the Big 12 teams lose in their first game in the tourney, it wouldn’t bother me in the slightest ( unless I had them winning in my bracket.) Then I would care.
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@KUSTEVE idk man… Do UNC and Duke make each other better? If the conference isn’t really that great and we win it by 4 games are we really great? I mean I get the sentiment. I could care less who does what if we win the big12 and are very competitive in March most years… If we win the national title and go to FF fairly often. Rest of the conference can suck for all I care. But does it really work that way? Or does the rest of the conference need to be pretty damn good also in order to make Us good enough to compete at that level?
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@cragarhawk I’ve never bought the conference meme. We can only be good if Oklahoma St does well? Or if the Clones do well, then we must do well? And if they lose, then we must not be as good as we thought and we’re probably going to lose? Never made any sense to me. The game is about match ups, not about your conference. I happen to think every other team in the Big 12 is flawed- doesn’t mean they aren’t good, but I don’t see anyone other than us in the Final Four. I don’t think having poor results in the tourney stopped us in 2008, or 2012, and I don’t think it’s stopped Kensucky from winning, either.
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KU has beaten 3 of the 5 teams not named KU to be ranked #1 this season. I don’t think lack of quality opponents has been an issue.
