Next recruit up
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So Self pleaded for Graham to come back next season. Not hard to imagine he’s already made his intentions known and that’s why he did it…
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@BeddieKU23 Doesn’t he always plead at Senior Night for the underclassmen to come back? Like Cliff, Brannen, Tharpe, – oh, wait! Never mind.
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Does he? I forget if he has in the past. I did notice he singled out Devonte then Josh. Not Svi… It definitely felt like he was making a point with DG…
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@BeddieKU23 I think he “suggested” it to Wigs. I know he has joked about it in the past–although I can’t remember who–and I have thought it is a standard line. Of course I am getting old, so it may have been in a press conference or the banquet or something other than Senior Night.
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KU has never been in it for Knox.
Need another ball handler. Self can easily win the league and have this team in NC contention with Competent PG/Newman/Garrett/Vick/Cunliffe as the guards/wings and a post rotation of Preston/Bragg/Doke/Coleby.
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Mentioned in the game thread but this kid was at the game last night:
I don’t think he is one that Creighton swoops in and steals…
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Seems like he’s been at every big KU game this season. Can’t imagine we let him slip by, way too good for that. My hope is that he locks down Harvey and Robinson before next year
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There is no doubt Harvey is a KU fan. I don’t think this was even considered a visit vs really he was just going to the game lol. Both him and JRE are too good that you can’t wait around hoping for a top 15 player imo. Heck Harvey is rated ahead of Jacobs right now, but I don’t think that will hold up. JRE thought about making it official after last late pm but the word is he is already a silent pledge.
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@mayjay Wiggins is the only player I remember Self lobying for at sr night to come back.
He said McLemore needs to go. He said Oubre needed to go.
I don’t think Graham needs to go. I think Graham wants to go. Graham is a joy to watch play and one of my favorite Jayhawks. Unfortunately I don’t feel as though Graham is an NBA talent.
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The guy I wonder about is Bragg – not in a good position draft-wise. Has had a rough season. Is he back? Draft or transfer?
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First video I’ve seen of Harvey. Yikes he’s not very athletic. 4 year player that would likely be good by his Jr. year.
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Kind of summarized exactly the whole situation with Graham. Who will win in the end? Remains to be seen
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He won’t be going in the draft. I expect him to be back.
@dylans said:
First video I’ve seen of Harvey. Yikes he’s not very athletic. 4 year player that would likely be good by his Jr. year.
He is the type of program player that develops and thrives under Self. Exactly the kind of player I love to see in the program.
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He’s also a 2019 kid, a few years to work on his athletic ability. Definitely a kid you don’t want to see at Wichita, KSU, or any surrounding program. He’s a take and develop player, the cornerstone to future years of success.
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Way way way too good for WSU or KSU.
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This appeared in my twitter feed recently. Lookin good Markese.
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@BShark He right here with me in T-Town, really good , have to consider the competition though but I still like him. I think were surpose to be sitting pretty good with him at this point aren’t we? - -Got to get out and watch him a little more I mean no reason not too same city, just a hop, skip and jump to his school. - -same school as the surgeon went to Hayden - private Catholic school a 4 A school - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@HighEliteMajor Boy you thinking my thoughts. Had an awful lot going on this season , your right not a good draft position at all - -as a matter of fact I don’t think you even smell a whiff of him on ANY kind of draft board. - - I don’t know if he is just thinking of enough is enough and MAYBE try and go over seas’s I know that he knows for him to try and declare for the NBA would be suicide right now, - - Me and it’s just me one person thinking but I’m just thinking chances are he might look to transfer. Go somewhere new, try and get a fresh start - -I hope not, I would hope he guts it out and tries to come back fresh here next year - -I just don’t know. - - ROCK CHAL;K ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Unlikely that Bragg transfers. He has the physical attributes the NBA looks for and he just needs to synchronize his mind to his Hudysized body and he is good to go. If he transfers he will have to sit one season so he would be 2 years at the earliest from joining the League…one good season at KU and he is there, plus nowhere he transfer would give him the exposure he gets at KU.
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Yep yep. If he is committed to KU by his SR year and still playing at Hayden you can bet I’ll bet at some games. I drive by Hayden all the time when I’m going to shop. He’s not leaving Hayden no time soon
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@BShark REALLY? - - - you live in Topeka? – - looked at him and a couple of other of our 2019 recruits, see where they are sitting. - -Looking pretty solid with Harvey and Robinson-Earl the good ol CB shows us at 100% for both and we all know how rock solid that is lol, but I do feel like we pretty good on both right now. - -The other is Matthew Hurt out of Minnesota, 6’8 ranked # 6 by 247 and # 7 off the ESPN got a pretty substantial lead over Lousiville, N Carol, Minnesota, and Arizona. - -need to check him out more. - -what you think about Hurt, question here is both him and Robinson are Forwards is one going to scare the other away? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Just outside Topeka my man.
2019 should be a strong class for KU. Marcedus Leech a 5 star stud from Missouri has an insane ceiling. Very athletic.
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@BShark cool. I grew up in Carbondale just south of Topeka live there for like the first 23 yrs of my life -would love to get back out there… - Hadn’t really been up on the Leech kid either, maybe a good year for us. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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He is really good. I hope we don’t get punked by Travis freaking Ford AGAIN. Dude is Self’s kryptonite, always beats him for recruits…
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Ford might be out of a job again. such a great year at St Louis…10-19, 61 points a game. Sounds about right!
Edit: then again I just saw he’s got 3 transfers sitting out that will turn things around next season. We need him to tank next year so that Gordon rethinks what he did.
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@JayHawkFanToo What if Self remains committed to the 4 out, 1 in we see this season (though personnel-wise it doesn’t seem as likely)? Or what if Mr. Preston appears to be a big hurdle to overcome at the 4? Lots of moving parts there.
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I view the entire discussion of 4out-1in and 3out-2in as one of semantics.
In our 4out-1in we have 6’8" Josh at the 4. We could also run a 3out-2in with Dwight at the 4 and he is about the same height. The only real difference is handles at the 4. We can also say that the 4 must have range from trey. But in reality, Josh doesn’t completely have range from trey yet.
Billy Preston has very solid handles and a trey for a big man, but he is definitely classified as a post player, not a guard. So do we call it a 4out-1in or a 3out-2in when Billy is at the 4?
I think the key moving forward is to always recruit in at least one big with good handles and potential for trey. If we do that we still have the size to rebound while having most of the advantages of the 4out.
I don’t see where we draw the line in the sand on what qualifies as 4out-1in or 3out-2in.
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What if Self doesn’t want Bragg back?
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He does. Who would he be replaced with at this stage? KU already has enough open scholarships they are trying to fill to be worried about pushing Bragg out the door imho.
@BeddieKU23 said:
Ford might be out of a job again. such a great year at St Louis…10-19, 61 points a game. Sounds about right!
Edit: then again I just saw he’s got 3 transfers sitting out that will turn things around next season. We need him to tank next year so that Gordon rethinks what he did.
It’s Ford, they will still suck next year. Baffles me that he continues to get recruits? What did he win with Nash and Smart?
@HighEliteMajor said:
@JayHawkFanToo What if Self remains committed to the 4 out, 1 in we see this season (though personnel-wise it doesn’t seem as likely)? Or what if Mr. Preston appears to be a big hurdle to overcome at the 4? Lots of moving parts there.
I think the roster will dictate it. If he has enough good bigs, then we see a return to two true posts on the floor.
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Possible Bill Self spring time miracle: Georgetown fires their coach and Tremont Waters is available again.
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Jairus Hamilton has officially been offered today.
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@BShark trouble
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@drgnslayr If we’re 3/2, then we’d see the traditional high/low. We’ve abandoned the high/low. With a true 4/5, I bet it returns.
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Preston and Bragg are both good fits for the 4 in it imo.
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@BShark That would be ok, but that wouldn’t help us for next season as Waters would have to sit out his transfer year. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@BShark I’m STILL not totally convinced Preston will ever put a KU uniform on. - -Hope I’m wrong. – ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer54 said:
@BShark That would be ok, but that wouldn’t help us for next season as Waters would have to sit out his transfer year. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
No. He would be a decommit not a transfer. Like Tyshawn Taylor. Or like Mason and Graham as well actually.
@jayballer54 said:
@BShark I’m STILL not totally convinced Preston will ever put a KU uniform on. - -Hope I’m wrong. – ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Don’t worry about it. Feel there would be a lot more smoke. I know where he played before, but he can easily put the work in at Oak Hill and make up credits.
Tfwiw but a Duke insider has said that KU is about to be officially OUT for Duval. Down to Duke and Zona and that Duke is ahead “by a mile”. On the Duke 247 board.
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Available personnel will dictate how he rolls next season. While the 4-1 has been successful so far, Coach Self has played the 3-2 often enough…and an occasional zone…to surprise opponents.
Bragg was supposed to have a good touch out to the 3 point line and be a potential stretch 4, but I have not seen any of that so far. At this point and absent any big surprises I just don’t see Bragg leaving.
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Saw that. Pressure is on to keep Graham
And a side note on Preston; listening to that last Jerry Meyer podcast Jerry broke it down pretty well on the question about Preston. He said yes there is concern especially from where he went to school before. Oak Hill is the place to go if you want to clean up your academics. He basically made it seem like Oak Hill works miracles and is well versed in figuring out how to help these kids get eligible. Not earth shattering news but he seemed to have some re-assuring information to provide about another kid he knew that was in a similar situation and used Oak Hill to clean up his act. If Preston makes it to campus, we will have Oak Hill to thank
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Bragg? I would imagine that the athletic dept. is fully engaged in researching CB’s psychological profile, attitude, and off-court activities and inclinations. I think he yet could be a contributor if he can get his head together and in the game. If his behavior is iffy I would send him packing.
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@BShark I realize that we really are wishing hard to even think Duval would commit here but - -ALL I’m going to ask on this about is - -just because this so called Duke insider says that KU is about to be officially out, so that makes it Gospel.Because this guy is a know all do all I get it right? lmao, now I’m not trying to give you hell I fully understand - it’s more on the Duke insiders part I am ravin about – what the hell does he know, just because it is on the Duke 247 board which is but nothing but a bunch of Duke homers just like any other board roflmao – these guys kill me. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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God I hope not.
It will be hard to recruit guards again, and I can’t blame them for going elsewhere.
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@jayballer54 for the last couple of weeks you’ve been saying that we all know Duvall is going to Duke. So why ? It now?
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It’s not like high profile guards are lining up right now. A lot of misses in this class. The incoming players for the class as things stand are two transfers and a kid that was 100% to KU if KU wanted due to personal relationships (and to the credit of the staff they took him early). Looks to change in 18 and 19 (we will see) but I tend to believe KU will be generally fine recruiting as long as Self is here.
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@Ralph you are absolutely correct - -still think he is, & IF you’ve been following along you can see that I’m not by myself lol. but I find it funny that because A Duke insider says it so , then it’s Gospel - -I NEVER said what I was saying was Gospel - but thanks for noticing, I’m not saying he is coming here not by any means, But then again how does this guy know that KU is out? - I’ll continue to say it IS Duke, but hey if you find anything to the contrary be sure and shout out to me. – All I am pointing out is or wanting to know is - -where is this Duke insider is getting his solid recruiting report - what source - -let us all see it, so we can OFFICALLY count him out, officially say its over for him. - Agaiin I will continue to say like many many others that IS where he is going but we have nothing solid to prove that - so where is this guys solid proof that he is? - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY - -you gotta love it
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That post sounds more negative than I meant I think. I just don’t think Self going back to running some high low will hurt that much.
Anyway, some news: Jerrance will be checking in on Matt Hurt tonight. Good to see we are still recruiting him with some vigor.
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It is just my opinion, but I think the hi/lo is dead as a standard offense. It is best used as a gimmick or a add-on to something else… or just abandoned all together.
Running 40 minutes of hi/lo will not keep us on the path we are on now. For example, I seriously doubt Josh would have come to Kansas to play the hi/lo.
The last few years we have gone from a hybrid hi/lo to a complete abandonment of it.
It is an offense that needs to move aside for the current times we live in. The current times are around opening up the trey line. Driving the ball in a motion offense and finishing at the rim or feeding for an open trey. That is the future of offense in the NBA and D1.
And where are all of these big men who bring back-to-the-basket skills with them to Kansas?
The 4out-1in still maintains scoring potential in the post, actually better since it is clogged with one less defensive big. Heck, we don’t have anyone now that can score with their back to the basket.
I believe the hi/lo did us well back in the days. Now time has moved on, and so must our offensive strategy. It is important to keep the post mostly open so our guards can drive. In our traditional hi/lo we stuffed the post with 4 players, camping in the post. Our 2 bigs and our opponent’s 2 bigs. Not exactly good spacing for 3 guards to take it to the rim.
Remember back when we ran true hi/lo. We pretty much limited guards driving to one guard only. And by the end of the year, we just perched 3 guards on the trey line and they threw the ball back and fourth quickly hoping a seam opened up.
We can’t pull that kind of stunt now and continue to recruit high recruits (at any position).
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Can’t really disagree. I love the offense as it is currently constructed.
What I was trying to get at earlier is that at this point I feel Self is pretty good at letting the roster dictate the situation. If the roster ends up being Mystery non-elite PG/Newman/Garrett/Vick/Cunliffe as the guards and Bragg/Preston/Coleby/Doke and the 9 guys that get run, I bet we see 3 guards 2 posts the majority of next season. One of the two posts on the floor will likely be pretty skilled though in Preston or Bragg. This assume Bragg gets it together and improves in the off season.
