The portal.
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@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
What do we make of Jayden Dawson?
The answer to what Kurtis Townsend was actually doing in New York.
Now relax…he also had a party to attend with Darryn and family as well.
Truly a legend.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in The portal.:
@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
Why do you think Dawkins is a good fit for Self’s system and a good compliment for Darryn?
Bill Self runs a version of a motion offense. Motion offenses involve lots of cuts, screens, picks, and other actions that require being able to read the defense and make quick decisions for the guards and wings. Basically, players have to be able to move without ball very well to create the offensive looks needed whether it’s a 3, a post up, a back cut for a lob, or a post up, or a kick out.
Loyola-Chicago fans have said that moving without the ball is a strength of his and since he’s know as a good catch and shoot player. That works well for Self’s offense because he can get a quick shot off coming off a screen, or he can cut to a corner or wing for a kick out shot. He’s also good a drawing fouls so if a defender closes out too hard, he can drive by and create contact in the lane.
He’s basically a bigger version of Diggy on offense if you go back amd watch Diggy play next to Dejuan and how much he ran around to get open.
This is also why I also like the Tre White fit, should we be able to add him.
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@BShark said in The portal.:
@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
What do we make of Jayden Dawson?
The answer to what Kurtis Townsend was actually doing in New York.
Now relax…he also had a party to attend with Darryn and family as well.
Truly a legend.
No more jokes from me for the duffle bag legend.
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I like the addition of Dawson, seems like a good 2 way player that doesn’t turn the ball over. Great first step
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Hopefully we hit up Dioubate from Bama. Ideal 4. Really solid numbers for a rotation dude. Poised for a jump
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@BeddieKU23 reason to believe KU is circling back with Reed Bailey a bit. Word on the street is Hopkins took the 1.2 million offer that both of them had from St John’s first
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@BShark we have any 4’s or 5’s, besides Tiller?
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@Texas-Hawk-10 My concern with Bill Self’s motion offense is that it’s too rigid and predictable compared to other systems that allow players to make quicker decisions and be more flexible. Other offenses give players the freedom to think on their feet and adapt, which helps stretch their skills. With Self’s system, the focus is often on the post-up, and the high-low game becomes too predictable. His offense feels outdated and doesn’t allow for much creativity. Against more athletic teams, it becomes a liability, leading to too many turnovers and making us look bad.
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@msanchez technically, it’s called "slow motion offense "
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@msanchez It is rigid and predictable when poorly run. When well-run it is difficult to guard (as is the case with many different offenses). Last season it was run poorly. Rylan and AJ had no idea what they were doing, which was a big reason for this.
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Could be another commitment today…
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@msanchez said in The portal.:
@Texas-Hawk-10 My concern with Bill Self’s motion offense is that it’s too rigid and predictable compared to other systems that allow players to make quicker decisions and be more flexible. Other offenses give players the freedom to think on their feet and adapt, which helps stretch their skills. With Self’s system, the focus is often on the post-up, and the high-low game becomes too predictable. His offense feels outdated and doesn’t allow for much creativity. Against more athletic teams, it becomes a liability, leading to too many turnovers and making us look bad.
Self had two bad fits last season in the offense at the 3 and 4 spots. At the 3 spot, Storr and Griffen were lost because they’ve never been in that style of system. The light seemed to be coming on at the end of the season for Storr, but his background was playing iso ball, hence why I’ve always compared him to James Harden. Griffen came from an offensive system that had minimal structure and rules at Alabama and why he struggled so much here since he could never learn the reads he needed to as he would usually make a wrong read or be stationary.
KJ was a poor fit because he wasn’t an outside threat at all. Had KJ ever been able to develop 3 point range, the offense would’ve looked so much better the past two seasons.
Any offensive system can be successful with the correct skill sets at those positions. With Self’s system, you need a 1-4 that can move well without the ball and have quick releases on 3 point shots so defenses can’t ignore players on the perimeter. This was Dejuan’s issue, he had a very slow shot so defenders could sag off because if Dejuan caught a pass on the perimeter, a defender had time to close out on Dejuan. At the 5 spot, Self needs a post player that’s an above average passer and can set good picks/screens. For all the crap people here talked about him, Hunter Dickinson really was the perfect 5 man in Self’s offense with the added benefit of being able to knock down an outside shot.
If seems like the staff is being more picky in the portal this year in regards to targeting players with a background in motion based offenses which should result in the offense running much better next season.
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@BShark That would brighten up my day if that turned out to be true
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Tre White is another great fit for Self’s offense at the 3 spot.
“Since his perimeter game is limited, he does most of his damage as a cutter and around the rim, shooting a terrific 64% at the basket in 2024-25.”
He did shoot a career best 33% from 3 last year so he is capable and teams can’t ignore that.
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@CasterTroy said in The portal.:
Just saw if from On3 as well.
https://www.on3.com/news/illinois-guard-tre-white-commits-to-kansas-out-of-ncaa-transfer-portal/
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Shades of Kev. Nice get
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Nature is healing. Coach is getting guys with toughness and not podcasts…
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in The portal.:
Tre White is another great fit for Self’s offense at the 3 spot.
“Since his perimeter game is limited, he does most of his damage as a cutter and around the rim, shooting a terrific 64% at the basket in 2024-25.”
He did shoot a career best 33% from 3 last year so he is capable and teams can’t ignore that.
Is he a starter or another bench piece, like Dawson? Played just 23 mpg for a middling Illini team. Even if so, we still need 2-3 starters. Anyone left who is a rim protector, can rebound, or light it up from the arc?
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@DCHawker said in The portal.:
Is he a starter or another bench piece, like Dawson? Played just 23 mpg for a middling Illini team
The article says started 31 of 32 games.
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Dusty May is reloading at Michigan. Lendeborg and Johnson will be a load in the paint…
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@FarmerJayhawk Does he defend like Kev?
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Another good pickup. Good size. Happy with this one
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@DCHawker Tre White is the starting 3 next season for KU.
Right now KU has 8 players with room for 6 more with a need for a starting 4 and 5 and possibly a 2. There are likely 5 or 6 rotation players set for next season with Dawson, Jackson, Peterson, Tiller, White, and possibly McDowell. I don’t see Calderon or Shelby being rotation level players next season.
Guards: Dawson, Jackson, McDowell, Peterson, Shelby
Wings: White, Calderon
Forwards: Tiller
We’re only halfway through the portal window and there’s still teams playing so there will be more good players entering the portal over the next 2+ weeks.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 You nailed it, Self’s offense relies heavily on ball movement, spacing, and using post play to create scoring opportunities. While that system is effective with the right players, in today’s game, you often need guards who can create their own shot—something that a more free-flowing offense like what we see at programs like Kentucky, Duke, or even some of the up-tempo systems like Sampson’s team. Unfortunately, we have yet solid guard (in the past 4 years?) with the ability to stop, pull up, and make a shot under pressure is critical when a defense collapses or when a set play breaks down. We need someone like Cryer. Can Marko be that guard?
Today’s college basketball demands versatility, with many players flourishing in systems that emphasize individual development over rigid, structured offense. Yes, player development - this is an area where the coaching staff falls short. CB is one in decades. Ochai? He was redshirted — an afterthought, really. The staff had no idea what he was capable of… until the perfect storm came.
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I will be stunned if Jamari is more than the 9th or 10th man when it’s all said and done. Tiller…idk…need to see how the roster takes shape.
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Jayden Quaintance please Bill…
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KJ Lewis ?-- from Arizona is still out there - -How about Kenon Katchings from BYU as a quality player as back up off bench ?
Probably just a bunch of lips smacking together hot gossip not nothing but:-- Read from TOS poster said we should have two other players locked up about this time next week.- - -One w will be very happy about and the other one not sure. Like I said it’s just a FWIW. Wait and see next week.
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@msanchez said in The portal.:
@Texas-Hawk-10 You nailed it, Self’s offense relies heavily on ball movement, spacing, and using post play to create scoring opportunities. While that system is effective with the right players, in today’s game, you often need guards who can create their own shot—something that a more free-flowing offense like what we see at programs like Kentucky, Duke, or even some of the up-tempo systems like Sampson’s team. Unfortunately, we have yet solid guard (in the past 4 years?) with the ability to stop, pull up, and make a shot under pressure is critical when a defense collapses or when a set play breaks down. We need someone like Cryer. Can Marko be that guard?
Today’s college basketball demands versatility, with many players flourishing in systems that emphasize individual development over rigid, structured offense. Yes, player development - this is an area where the coaching staff falls short. CB is one in decades. Ochai? He was redshirted — an afterthought, really. The staff had no idea what he was capable of… until the perfect storm came.
I’m sorry, but this is a ridiculous take. Scheyer’s system works because he has specifically targeted players who fit what he wants to run. Also, Cooper Flagg is the best NBA prospect of the last 20 years which covers a lot of other potential holes. Kentucky was a good, not great offense this year, amd absolutely terrible defense that was 315th in points allowed this season, not a recipe for long term success. And on what planet is Kelvin Sampson’s system up tempo? You do know that UH was ranked 360 out of 364 teams this season.
Also, LJ Cryer and Elmarko Jackson are two very different players that don’t play the same position or have the same strengths as players. Self is clearly building the roster around players who compliment Darryn Peterson and will continue to do so as we’ve seen with Dawson and White’s commitments.
I’m sorry you think Self’s system is too rigid and outdated when many other currently successful coaches have stolen plenty from how Self does things offensively including Bruce Pearl. There’s a reason why Self and Pearl are frequently fighting over the same players in recruiting.
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@SlimShaddy54 said in The portal.:
KJ Lewis ?-- from Arizona is still out there - -How about Kenon Katchings from BYU as a quality player as back up off bench ?
Probably just a bunch of lips smacking together hot gossip not nothing but:-- Read from TOS poster said we should have two other players locked up about this time next week.- - -One w will be very happy about and the other one not sure. Like I said it’s just a FWIW. Wait and see next week.
KJ Lewis should be off the table now with Tre White’s commitment since they play the same position and doubt either wants to come off the bench next season.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in The portal.:
@SlimShaddy54 said in The portal.:
KJ Lewis ?-- from Arizona is still out there - -How about Kenon Katchings from BYU as a quality player as back up off bench ?
Probably just a bunch of lips smacking together hot gossip not nothing but:-- Read from TOS poster said we should have two other players locked up about this time next week.- - -One w will be very happy about and the other one not sure. Like I said it’s just a FWIW. Wait and see next week.
KJ Lewis should be off the table now with Tre White’s commitment since they play the same position and doubt either wants to come off the bench next season.
KJ’s an even worse shooter than Tre. I’ll pass
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Ya more likely true. Just thought he would-be a good piece but hadn’t really realized they both played same position . To be 100 % honest I didn’t really know much about tre
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@Jhawk69 he’s a notch below but plenty good enough
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@FarmerJayhawk DaJuan caliber defender?
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@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
@FarmerJayhawk DaJuan caliber defender?
Probably comparable. Their defensive stats are pretty similar
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Honor Huff has been contacted. Would be an upgrade for the Diggy role but that’s probably a tough sell…
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@RockkChalkk said in The portal.:
@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
@FarmerJayhawk DaJuan caliber defender?
Hope not! Need way better.
Than a guy who was a 3x all-conference defender and a former conference DPOY? I’d take level of defender any day and twice on Sunday, but apparently that’s not good enough for you.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in The portal.:
@RockkChalkk said in The portal.:
@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
@FarmerJayhawk DaJuan caliber defender?
Hope not! Need way better.
Than a guy who was a 3x all-conference defender and a former conference DPOY? I’d take level of defender any day and twice on Sunday, but apparently that’s not good enough for you.
Wasn’t good enough to get out of the round of 32 or 64 in back to back years with the most senior laden team
He was so bad Diggy came and we stormed back
Coaches voting D2 as some incredible defender is exactly what I’d done to as Self keeps running him out there telling everyone how incredible he is
Onto DP and the miracles due to all these transfers talking so much regarding what happened this year
After the sweet 16 2026 exit everyone will be beyond ready for Oats or Golden ***please bookmark this
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If I remember correctly White at one point was committed to us in highschool. I think these are a few good role players but we are gonna need atleast one stud to help DP unless we are expecting 35 nightly from him.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 No offense taken — just sharing my perspective here. Kelvin’s system might not be flashy, but it’s adaptable. It does blend motion offense principles with ball screens, and more importantly, it empowers everyone on the floor to contribute. Every guy is expected to defend, rebound, and score.
On the flip side, Self’s offense often feels too rigid — overly structured and built around one or two primary scorers. That’s exactly the issue: by building the roster to ‘complement’ a central piece like Dickinson, oh, now DP, you’re creating a hole elsewhere that never really gets filled.
I’d much rather watch a team full of solid, versatile, gritty, physical & athletic players who can all handle the ball and score — not just stand around while the system runs through a couple of ‘go-to’ guys.
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@kjayhawks said in The portal.:
If I remember correctly White at one point was committed to us in highschool. I think these are a few good role players but we are gonna need atleast one stud to help DP unless we are expecting 35 nightly from him.
Both signees can be double digit scorers just fine. Tre White is nearing 1000 career points…
As far as Dawson, I’ve heard a lot of positive things on him from coaches with no connections to KU.
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Flory returning is looking like a real possibility. We shall see what today brings
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@BeddieKU23 Where have you heard/seen this. I mean that would be great I’d love it , with DO and Tre White , even El Marko would be a really sweet start to rebuilding this roster-- -solid. I just haven’t seen anything , about the possibility
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@SlimShaddy54 said in The portal.:
@BeddieKU23 Where have you heard/seen this. I mean that would be great I’d love it , with DO and Tre White , even El Marko would be a really sweet start to rebuilding this roster-- -solid. I just haven’t seen anything , about the possibility
Auburn board believes he returns. Swain mentioned in his round up they are working on him still. Vernon posted another cryptic tweet that he’s done with the 2 previous commits in the last 2 days. Tea leaves…
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@BeddieKU23 Thank you , just got to hope for the best I reckon - -some more positive then a couple of days ago. I too was wondering why the heck hadn’t seen anything on a five… I think Flory if he comes back can very well make a sufficient jump in his offensive game, he just got to be more careful on the defensive end and getting in foul troble.
Still need a pretty solid three or four to go along with him and Peterson , hopefully if he does come back somebody also that is willing to be a role back up for him
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Guess Iowa St losing both of the Big’s to the portal . Jefferson plus the other big both entered
