The portal.
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@nuleafjhawk said in The portal.:
@dylans I watch the NFL also (mostly the Chiefs) and it doesn’t bother me. Why? Because they mostly have gone to college, got a job and are getting paid because they were deemed worthy to play in the NFL. College is different (in my mind) - they haven’t paid their dues. They’re just money hungry little punks, most of whom will never set foot in a professional sports arena.
I wonder why someone else earning money bothers some? As you say, “most will never be able to set foot in a professional sports arena” and get paid. Meanwhile the program is making millions off of their backs. I don’t mind them maximizing what they get paid in what is a very short earning window in their life. I just would like some stability too. Both can be achieved with better structure.
Paying dues… I get the premise, but longer tenure doesn’t mean better at your job. Sometimes quite the opposite. Most geniuses have made their impact by 27 - this is the same, but physical genius instead of intellectual.
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“If you don’t want problems, don’t recruit them. I don’t recruit entitlement kids. There is no way that I recruit a kid unless I know that he will buy into the way we do things.”
Great teams don’t have passengers. This isn’t a ride, it’s a responsibility.
Coach Sampson
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@dylans I’ll tell you why I don’t like them making money. Because I’m old and old school. In my world, college kids get free room and board, free tuition and a free education. That’s enough. It’s more than enough. Believe what you want to but money will destroy college sports. I’ll guarantee you that I’m not the only one who feels this way.
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@BShark said in The portal.:
Sounds like some major fundraising was done recently. Self and Goff took a fundraising trip down to Texas together. Had to improve the NIL situation with recent changes to the transfer market.
When are they going to use it!!
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An intriguing name in the portal today, Ernest Udeh. With KU’s needs in the post, this would someone who’s obviously familiar with the system so there wouldn’t be the learning curve that there is with other players. He’s never developed into much of an offensive threat, but has become a pretty good defender.
I don’t know that Udeh would have any interest in coming back to KU, but I would at least make that phone call and see.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 what would we have to guarantee him? He started at tcu.
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@Woodrow said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
Sounds like some major fundraising was done recently. Self and Goff took a fundraising trip down to Texas together. Had to improve the NIL situation with recent changes to the transfer market.
When are they going to use it!!
Hopefully soon! XD
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I’d anticipate news of visits this week
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in The portal.:
@Texas-Hawk-10 what would we have to guarantee him? He started at tcu.
Who do we have now at the 5? If he wanted to come back, he’d be the starting 5 next season.
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@nuleafjhawk couldn’t agree more it already has destroyed basket ball. Like you said they already getting free ride, free room and board free education I mean hell . There is no such thing as College Basket ball anymore , just like a minor farm system for the NBA anymore
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@FarmerJayhawk said in The portal.:
I’d anticipate news of visits this week
I’m anticipating a visitor tomorrow.
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The one thing the portal has definitely exposed is the self-aggrandizing egos some of these average players have. They ALL bolt, and programs are stuck trying to build teams around a bunch of selfish quitters instead of those chuds staying where they probably fit into a thought-out balanced roster originally.
I need to back away from this for a while. I’m just intensely irritated by the way this has played out for the past decade with Selby/Alexander/Silvio etc. and all that nothingness. There is no purpose for the NCAA at this point, and they brought it on themselves.
Jaybate… I’m probably heading to where you are (assuming you are still alive and happy). You were right.
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looks like a new name on the board kid named Corbin Allen- -6’4 Sg ehhh.
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Peterson is playing, now. Espn. Smooth
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Storr could return,I’d still call it unlikely.
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@BShark yeah he checked his NIL value and was like nah I’m good lol
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@DanR eh. Lets see. This season was high expectations and low results. Maybe next will be the opposite.
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If Storr comes back we’d better not pay him even half of what we paid him last season.
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@nuleafjhawk said in The portal.:
@dylans I’ll tell you why I don’t like them making money. Because I’m old and old school. In my world, college kids get free room and board, free tuition and a free education. That’s enough. It’s more than enough. Believe what you want to but money will destroy college sports. I’ll guarantee you that I’m not the only one who feels this way.
Oh I mostly fall into feeling that way too. It’s just not an easily defensible position given introspection. Scholarship’s for players only seems like enough because we had to pay our own way or earn it thru academics which isn’t celebrated. If I did anything that drew 15,300 people and a tv crew to boot, I’d want paid too! If you really want to get disgusted look up Internet personalities salaries. But I digress.
College basketball is ruined because the foundation was based upon indentured servants who have broken free. Now the structure is inadequate because the NCAA couldn’t fathom paying for their labor and the ramifications of doing so. Poor leadership is a poor reason to not pay for their labor.
The portal plays into the madness. Free transfers with a bidding war for services and no salary cap. What could ever go wrong? I hate it, but it was inevitable.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in The portal.:
@drgnslayr said in The portal.:
That’s what a GM in college does. They manage the NIL side of the program. Part of that includes communication with parents/handlers in regards to NIL stuff. The head coach still has final say on everything, but a GM deals with all the NIL stuff related to a program.
Well, if Self was cool on the idea of having a GM, this situation might warm him up a bit.
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@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
@DanR eh. Lets see. This season was high expectations and low results. Maybe next will be the opposite.
Darryn and the miracles. We ride.
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Heard Auburn’s number for Flory is around $3m
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@FarmerJayhawk said in The portal.:
Heard Auburn’s number for Flory is around $3m
!!!
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You can do a lot with $3m.
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@FarmerJayhawk I’m assuming we’re out?
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@Crimsonorblue22 stranger things have happened but it would be a massive surprise
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@FarmerJayhawk - To clarify, you believe Flory is going with Pearl?
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He’s coming
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@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
Storr could return,I’d still call it unlikely.
What a plot twist
The talk is he wants to return at this point and that Bill is mulling it over.
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@BShark said in The portal.:
@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
Storr could return,I’d still call it unlikely.
What a plot twist
The talk is he wants to return at this point and that Bill is mulling it over.
Gonna keep it real…I’m not opposed to it.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in The portal.:
Heard Auburn’s number for Flory is around $3m
Need a salary cap. It would be more interesting to see how big schools budget their resources as opposed to just outspending everyone Yankees style. More interesting (at least for me- I like the numbers side too) as well as more competitive.
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@dylans said in The portal.:
@FarmerJayhawk said in The portal.:
Heard Auburn’s number for Flory is around $3m
Need a salary cap. It would be more interesting to see how big schools budget their resources as opposed to just outspending everyone Yankees style. More interesting (at least for me- I like the numbers side too) as well as more competitive.
Isn’t the revenue sharing more or less about to put a salary cap on things?
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@TYOHawk @BShark Bill said several times that AJ had a positive attitude. AJ got visibly better 2nd half. Had 2 of his best games late, including a tourney game where he was critical. Bill had him in the post game presser one of those games All signs point up, imo, unless its all for show.
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I’m generally against running players that want to be here, have the potential to make an impact, and are putting in the work. Idk if the later is true but am here for him staying if he has bought in and accepts a lower role/NIL
He shouldn’t scare anyone off from coming to KU so don’t know that it hurts us too much even if he doesn’t improve on last year.
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@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
@dylans said in The portal.:
@FarmerJayhawk said in The portal.:
Heard Auburn’s number for Flory is around $3m
Need a salary cap. It would be more interesting to see how big schools budget their resources as opposed to just outspending everyone Yankees style. More interesting (at least for me- I like the numbers side too) as well as more competitive.
Isn’t the revenue sharing more or less about to put a salary cap on things?
Maybe. Supposedly. Depends on outside revenue streams. I’m not sure if NIL will 100% fall under that umbrella or if it’s just a second pot of gold for the players. 20.5 mil for all sports in total seems like less than is being spent currently.
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@dylans said in The portal.:
@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
@dylans said in The portal.:
@FarmerJayhawk said in The portal.:
Heard Auburn’s number for Flory is around $3m
Need a salary cap. It would be more interesting to see how big schools budget their resources as opposed to just outspending everyone Yankees style. More interesting (at least for me- I like the numbers side too) as well as more competitive.
Isn’t the revenue sharing more or less about to put a salary cap on things?
Maybe. Supposedly. Depends on outside revenue streams. I’m not sure if NIL will 100% fall under that umbrella or if it’s just a second pot of gold for the players. 20.5 mil for all sports in total seems like less than is being spent currently.
NIL deals will have to be cleared by the NCAA now going forward. Has to be “legitimate” like the kid actually does something for the money. Makes an appearance etc
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@BShark will it cap the earnings? Appearance fees can be very high if not.
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Does anyone have the Site " The Phog " that knows who Swain says we need to be keeping a close eye on a kid in the portal- - it’s behind the VIP wall so don’t know the kids name or position.- -Anyone know who it is ?
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@dylans said in The portal.:
@BShark will it cap the earnings? Appearance fees can be very high if not.
That I do not know.
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Interesting to see Jayden Quaintance from Arizona St in the portal. ACL recovery but would be one of the few upgrades to Flory out there if he comes back fully healthy.
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@MR11 Their not sure he is going in yet- - possibility, which more then likely he is
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@BShark said in The portal.:
@dylans said in The portal.:
@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
@dylans said in The portal.:
@FarmerJayhawk said in The portal.:
Heard Auburn’s number for Flory is around $3m
Need a salary cap. It would be more interesting to see how big schools budget their resources as opposed to just outspending everyone Yankees style. More interesting (at least for me- I like the numbers side too) as well as more competitive.
Isn’t the revenue sharing more or less about to put a salary cap on things?
Maybe. Supposedly. Depends on outside revenue streams. I’m not sure if NIL will 100% fall under that umbrella or if it’s just a second pot of gold for the players. 20.5 mil for all sports in total seems like less than is being spent currently.
NIL deals will have to be cleared by the NCAA now going forward. Has to be “legitimate” like the kid actually does something for the money. Makes an appearance etc
This is why scholarship athletes could never have a job. Somebody would pay them 5k to “sweep the floor”. There would have been fake jobs and the NCAA doesn’t have the resources to police it. Then you get sob stories from players/coaches like Ostertag and Roy Williams about how poor Greg couldn’t work and he was married with a child. No mention that he has free college which would help a ton of non-students. Also, creating a sob story about a 7’ guy who was obviously going to have an NBA career was stupid.
The average American IQ drops every five years, so the average person can’t extrapolate why rules are in place.
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Be interesting to know if w have made any kind of contact with Lendelborg from UAB or not.-- -At this point and time they have him listed as the # one portal. 6’9 --240 forward Some pretty impressive stats
Or here is a Combo Guard to go along with Darryn- - -Silas Demary Jy good size for a Guard 6’5 195 Combo Guard-- -shot over 37 % from the three-- – driver averaged 4.8 Free Throw attempts per -Wonder if w reached out-- Rated as the # Two player right now
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@SlimShaddy54 Yaxel getting a first round grade a lot of places so there would be a risk he stays in the draft. Would take him though otherwise.
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@MR11 Ya I would take him in a minute- --mercy. - -Found an interesting combo guard 6’6 Silas Demary - ove 37 % from the three and draws good amount of fouls on opposition – averages right at 5 attempts per game - would fit nice with DP and they have him ranked the number TWO rated player in the portal at present
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I watched pretty much every game of Rice and Gillespie at Maryland, both guards, and both of whom are in the portal.
They were fantastic and explosive.
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Salary caps in pro leagues only are allowed because they have been negotiated in collective bargaining. Any effort to control the money athletes can get by having an NCAA impose a salary cap will run into the same problems as when they imposed a cap of zero. The system will only start working when schools accept that athletes are labor, and treat them accordingly.
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@BigBad Back when athletes could work, fraud was pretty common in that an athlete would take a job with a boosters business, not do any work or even show up and still get paid.
The Ostertag story is a good one because while yes, he had an NBA future, that doesn’t mean that his kid didn’t have immediate needs while Ostertag wasn’t allowed to earn an income and needed handouts that could’ve been considered NCAA violations.
The old system of players not being allowed to work was absolute bullshit and pure exploitation. People talk about athletes getting free room and board along with tuition like athletes are the only people on campus receiving those things. How many other kids on a college campus also get free rides through academic and financial needs based scholarships? At a place like KU, I’m sure that number is in the thousands. Are any of those kids restricted from having a job as a condition of their scholarship while they focus solely on whatever their major is? No, those kids are allowed to have jobs earn money beyond what their scholarships pay so why shouldn’t athletes be allowed to do what every other group of students on a college campus are allowed to do?
Does the current model need tweaking? Absolutely, but the notion that an athlete that helps generate millions of dollars for a school shouldn’t be allowed to do what every other group on a campus can do and earn extra income through a job is a garbage take IMO.
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Darryn Petterson MVP for the West winning McD AA game. He has size, really runs the floor and will go the rack.
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Darryn Peterson on last years team…
