The portal.
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@BShark cant imagine Flory being hard to work with, with a different cast around him, from what I have seen of him at pressers.
also cant imagine them thinking he isnt worth the cabbage if other programs think he is. And there just is no way we get someone with Flory’s ceiling at the 5 for next year in the portal.@benshawks08 to me losing your top productive returner because you aren’t willing to pony up is potentially a more dangerous precedent than being strong armed. Certainly since Flory and handlers have legit reasons to be irritated with usage last year. Bill won’t be here forever. Easy to reset expectations re: strong-arming with new coach later.
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@approxinfinity I tend to agree about Flory. The only thing I can think is that these days what makes a guy easy or hard to work with goes beyond the guy and extends to his agent and ‘team’.
So some of the issues we see may be about the individual and some may be about others around the player. For us outsiders, there’s rarely visibility to know which is which for sure.
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Flory’s “handler” has been posting on the phog. About all you need to know about that guy.
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I would like to be a fly on the wall, of Bill Self’s brain right now.
Bill has been treated nothing short of a God since he arrived in Lawrence.
I know he’s getting some blow back for the first time.
We’ve had the typical blue-blood expectation failures in the past… basically… every year we don’t win a NC. But we’ve never had so many “fans” calling for his head within the Jayhawk nation.
I’ve never called for Bill to receive the ax. But I have questioned if it is smart for Bill to stick this out. Is his current situation building on his legacy? I would say “no” but that could change and send him skyrocketing over Jayhawk Mountain if he would win another title.
I believe… he is the only one on the planet that knows if he has another title in him.
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@drgnslayr said in The portal.:
But I have questioned if it is smart for Bill to stick this out.
He could have gone the Jay Wright route. Heck, he could have retired after the 2022 title and basically never had a blemish.
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I could be wrong… but I heard from someone at Duke that their GM manages players’ handlers. Not sure what that means. Is the GM attempting to be their handlers? Seems a conflict of interest and I don’t think that is possible because these people have been around players while they come up and many stick with them all through their basketball careers after college. Maybe the GM is the voice of the university dealing with the handlers.
This Flory situation is the perfect situation where we see the weakness of our athletic program’s relationships with handlers. It is possible we lose Flory over monster communication errors or lack of communication. I’m seeing Flory is receiving nasty remarks from fans and it just perpetuates his departure. As someone else said on here, I wonder if the KJ injury impacted Flory. It should. He risks a huge chunk of his future everytime he steps on the floor for KU. At least fans seem to now be educated enough to stop the nonsense of claiming an education is fair trade.
Imagine if we had a GM who stays in constant contact with all the players’ handlers. I’m pretty sure, just giving handlers acknowledgment would be a huge step in recruiting the handlers as Jayhawks! I am certain we would be in a better place today with a GM!
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@drgnslayr said in The portal.:
I could be wrong… but I heard from someone at Duke that their GM manages players’ handlers. Not sure what that means. Is the GM attempting to be their handlers? Seems a conflict of interest and I don’t think that is possible because these people have been around players while they come up and many stick with them all through their basketball careers after college. Maybe the GM is the voice of the university dealing with the handlers.
This Flory situation is the perfect situation where we see the weakness of our athletic program’s relationships with handlers. It is possible we lose Flory over monster communication errors or lack of communication. I’m seeing Flory is receiving nasty remarks from fans and it just perpetuates his departure. As someone else said on here, I wonder if the KJ injury impacted Flory. It should. He risks a huge chunk of his future everytime he steps on the floor for KU. At least fans seem to now be educated enough to stop the nonsense of claiming an education is fair trade.
Imagine if we had a GM who stays in constant contact with all the players’ handlers. I’m pretty sure, just giving handlers acknowledgment would be a huge step in recruiting the handlers as Jayhawks! I am certain we would be in a better place today with a GM!
That’s what a GM in college does. They manage the NIL side of the program. Part of that includes communication with parents/handlers in regards to NIL stuff. The head coach still has final say on everything, but a GM deals with all the NIL stuff related to a program.
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Am I wrong… or might we be sitting better today with Flory had we had a GM?
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@drgnslayr said in The portal.:
Am I wrong… or might we be sitting better today with Flory had we had a GM?
Depends on what the actual root of the issue with Flory is.
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Need contracts in the ncaa. Until then it’s just a yearly bidding war for each player that you lured in with money. Traditional recruiting has been corrupted.
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@dylans said in The portal.:
Need contracts in the ncaa. Until then it’s just a yearly bidding war for each player that you lured in with money. Traditional recruiting has been corrupted.
Apparently going to happen soon-ish
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@dylans I watch the NFL also (mostly the Chiefs) and it doesn’t bother me. Why? Because they mostly have gone to college, got a job and are getting paid because they were deemed worthy to play in the NFL. College is different (in my mind) - they haven’t paid their dues. They’re just money hungry little punks, most of whom will never set foot in a professional sports arena.
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From TOS, the question was raised. With the players that have entered the portal , why are they ignoring KU ? - Poster answered – - Portal is a week old , and could be because of the uncertainty of the Coach.-- Do we think this is valid point ?
Does Coach Self need to come out and flat out make it perfectly clear about his future for the upcoming Season ?
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Henry Veesaar from Arizona in the portal- --Any Interest ?-- —K J Lewis from Arizona in the Portal from Arizona- - —Any interest ? – I think I would have to reach out for KJ if it were up to me .- Interest anybody ?
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Just heard this, ha ANYONE else heard whispers, rumblings of this at all ?- —A J Storr is coming back nnd that his girlfriend played a huge role in this decision.–Anybody else seen anything about this anywhere ?
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Sounds like some major fundraising was done recently. Self and Goff took a fundraising trip down to Texas together. Had to improve the NIL situation with recent changes to the transfer market.
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@SlimShaddy54 Vesaar abused Dickinson fwiw
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@Jhawk69 did he sr night?
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Sr night, Hunter had 33 pts, az big had 5, 14 mins, 4 fouls
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Big 12 tournament
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I know. Just saying.
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AJ did improve, I would’ve started him over Rylan 2nd half of the Arky game. Rylan was a zero across the board, I think. AJ was aggressive!
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@Jhawk69 yes he did would be nice.- -think I would like to take a shot at K J Lewis too–very quality athlete
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@nuleafjhawk said in The portal.:
@dylans I watch the NFL also (mostly the Chiefs) and it doesn’t bother me. Why? Because they mostly have gone to college, got a job and are getting paid because they were deemed worthy to play in the NFL. College is different (in my mind) - they haven’t paid their dues. They’re just money hungry little punks, most of whom will never set foot in a professional sports arena.
I wonder why someone else earning money bothers some? As you say, “most will never be able to set foot in a professional sports arena” and get paid. Meanwhile the program is making millions off of their backs. I don’t mind them maximizing what they get paid in what is a very short earning window in their life. I just would like some stability too. Both can be achieved with better structure.
Paying dues… I get the premise, but longer tenure doesn’t mean better at your job. Sometimes quite the opposite. Most geniuses have made their impact by 27 - this is the same, but physical genius instead of intellectual.
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“If you don’t want problems, don’t recruit them. I don’t recruit entitlement kids. There is no way that I recruit a kid unless I know that he will buy into the way we do things.”
Great teams don’t have passengers. This isn’t a ride, it’s a responsibility.
Coach Sampson
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@dylans I’ll tell you why I don’t like them making money. Because I’m old and old school. In my world, college kids get free room and board, free tuition and a free education. That’s enough. It’s more than enough. Believe what you want to but money will destroy college sports. I’ll guarantee you that I’m not the only one who feels this way.
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@BShark said in The portal.:
Sounds like some major fundraising was done recently. Self and Goff took a fundraising trip down to Texas together. Had to improve the NIL situation with recent changes to the transfer market.
When are they going to use it!!
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An intriguing name in the portal today, Ernest Udeh. With KU’s needs in the post, this would someone who’s obviously familiar with the system so there wouldn’t be the learning curve that there is with other players. He’s never developed into much of an offensive threat, but has become a pretty good defender.
I don’t know that Udeh would have any interest in coming back to KU, but I would at least make that phone call and see.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 what would we have to guarantee him? He started at tcu.
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@Woodrow said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
Sounds like some major fundraising was done recently. Self and Goff took a fundraising trip down to Texas together. Had to improve the NIL situation with recent changes to the transfer market.
When are they going to use it!!
Hopefully soon! XD
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I’d anticipate news of visits this week
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in The portal.:
@Texas-Hawk-10 what would we have to guarantee him? He started at tcu.
Who do we have now at the 5? If he wanted to come back, he’d be the starting 5 next season.
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@nuleafjhawk couldn’t agree more it already has destroyed basket ball. Like you said they already getting free ride, free room and board free education I mean hell . There is no such thing as College Basket ball anymore , just like a minor farm system for the NBA anymore
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@FarmerJayhawk said in The portal.:
I’d anticipate news of visits this week
I’m anticipating a visitor tomorrow.
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The one thing the portal has definitely exposed is the self-aggrandizing egos some of these average players have. They ALL bolt, and programs are stuck trying to build teams around a bunch of selfish quitters instead of those chuds staying where they probably fit into a thought-out balanced roster originally.
I need to back away from this for a while. I’m just intensely irritated by the way this has played out for the past decade with Selby/Alexander/Silvio etc. and all that nothingness. There is no purpose for the NCAA at this point, and they brought it on themselves.
Jaybate… I’m probably heading to where you are (assuming you are still alive and happy). You were right.
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looks like a new name on the board kid named Corbin Allen- -6’4 Sg ehhh.
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Peterson is playing, now. Espn. Smooth
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Storr could return,I’d still call it unlikely.
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@BShark yeah he checked his NIL value and was like nah I’m good lol
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@DanR eh. Lets see. This season was high expectations and low results. Maybe next will be the opposite.
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If Storr comes back we’d better not pay him even half of what we paid him last season.
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@nuleafjhawk said in The portal.:
@dylans I’ll tell you why I don’t like them making money. Because I’m old and old school. In my world, college kids get free room and board, free tuition and a free education. That’s enough. It’s more than enough. Believe what you want to but money will destroy college sports. I’ll guarantee you that I’m not the only one who feels this way.
Oh I mostly fall into feeling that way too. It’s just not an easily defensible position given introspection. Scholarship’s for players only seems like enough because we had to pay our own way or earn it thru academics which isn’t celebrated. If I did anything that drew 15,300 people and a tv crew to boot, I’d want paid too! If you really want to get disgusted look up Internet personalities salaries. But I digress.
College basketball is ruined because the foundation was based upon indentured servants who have broken free. Now the structure is inadequate because the NCAA couldn’t fathom paying for their labor and the ramifications of doing so. Poor leadership is a poor reason to not pay for their labor.
The portal plays into the madness. Free transfers with a bidding war for services and no salary cap. What could ever go wrong? I hate it, but it was inevitable.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in The portal.:
@drgnslayr said in The portal.:
That’s what a GM in college does. They manage the NIL side of the program. Part of that includes communication with parents/handlers in regards to NIL stuff. The head coach still has final say on everything, but a GM deals with all the NIL stuff related to a program.
Well, if Self was cool on the idea of having a GM, this situation might warm him up a bit.
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@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
@DanR eh. Lets see. This season was high expectations and low results. Maybe next will be the opposite.
Darryn and the miracles. We ride.
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Heard Auburn’s number for Flory is around $3m
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@FarmerJayhawk said in The portal.:
Heard Auburn’s number for Flory is around $3m
!!!
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You can do a lot with $3m.
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@FarmerJayhawk I’m assuming we’re out?
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@Crimsonorblue22 stranger things have happened but it would be a massive surprise
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@FarmerJayhawk - To clarify, you believe Flory is going with Pearl?
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He’s coming
