The portal.
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@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
On the bright side, whomever we get to play the 5 next year will be an upgrade over Hunter
That’s not a guarantee.
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@kuballin10 I don’t hate you I just disagree with you about basketball on many things. I do agree we should have played Flory more last season.
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Wellp. Thats the kicker for me.
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If he can’t keep Peterson I’ll personally pack his bags out of Lawrence.
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Well I rode with Coach till the cows came home-- well they are all in the barn now so-- Now I think it’s time Bill needs to go. This past season was a Costly one for sure, looks like we gonna be a bottom dweller if not careful. Cupboard is BARE
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@BShark said in The portal.:
Broken trust and lack of developmental coaching…
This is the red flag for Self to shake up the coaching staff and hire a GM to manage NIL for the program.
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This is on Bill Self at this point, he wouldn’t recruit over his “sons” as he calls them Juan and KJ. I said all year Flory deserves more minutes. What does that mean for Peterson who claimed he was most looking forward to playing with Flory. This could be the most catastrophic news to hit us in decades. I heard his camp was unhappy much of the year.
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We might he able to keep him?
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@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
Wellp. Thats the kicker for me.
If he does leave remember that time in the season, that looms large if so
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
Broken trust and lack of developmental coaching…
This is the red flag for Self to shake up the coaching staff and hire a GM to manage NIL for the program.
Changes are coming.
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@BShark said in The portal.:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
Broken trust and lack of developmental coaching…
This is the red flag for Self to shake up the coaching staff and hire a GM to manage NIL for the program.
Changes are coming.
We just gonna move Doc to a GM role
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@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
Broken trust and lack of developmental coaching…
This is the red flag for Self to shake up the coaching staff and hire a GM to manage NIL for the program.
Changes are coming.
We just gonna move Doc to a GM role
I’d die, but no.
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@Jhawk69 I’ve been proven right for two years so not sure how you feel about that but glad we agree on flory
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@SlimShaddy54 said in The portal.:
Well I rode with Coach till the cows came home-- well they are all in the barn now so-- Now I think it’s time Bill needs to go. This past season was a Costly one for sure, looks like we gonna be a bottom dweller if not careful. Cupboard is BARE
Dang what a 180! Welcome to the your head is above the sand club!
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@kuballin10 try not to gloat too much. You dont want people to feel bad about agreeing with you, do you?
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@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
@kuballin10 try not to gloat too much. You dont want people to feel bad about agreeing with you, do you?
I’m going to abide by the golden rule right now but holy moly I need to log off
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Good times keep on rolling. Lots of damage done this season
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Friends we may end up a football school after all
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Well, let’s sit back and pray Bill brings in a rebuilt, monster of a roster.
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Wait, clueless question here:
Is Flory eligible to receive NIL riches? I thought foreign players were restricted?
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This fanbase across various sites, including some here, are truly living down to some of the most negative stereotypes about KU fans being snobs. I don’t understand the ego and mentality it takes (including some here) to be more happy and gloating about potentially being right about the demise of Bill Self than caring more about having a successful team and program. To those people, all I have to say is fuck off, KU doesn’t need or want you as fans.
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@kuballin10 No, the last two years prove we had problems but they don’t prove that your take on the cause of our problems is right.
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Oh crap, I just heard the news about Flory. It was a gut punch out of the blue from my UCLA friend just now. Dammit, he was the one bright spot this year.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 PHOF.
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Jalil Bethea has a final four of Alabama, KState, NCState, and a return to Miami.
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@Jhawk69 Favoritism to the detriment of the program - was told I’m insane
Self’s presser mentioning his sons proved that
The blowup in Utah….
Us looking great in November when guys had freedom and then it’s stripped away
Sucks to watch us become Indiana or UCLA but Grandpa Bill needs to give the car keys over to the next generation - he’s legitimately unable to adjust his style of play
Oh and DP isn’t nearly this rock-solid commitment especially after today’s disaster
Better hope Flory ends up back at KU because word on the street is DP doesn’t want to play for a “1 year away from a title KU team”
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I have basically no interest in minor league sports. Especially one that changes the entire roster yearly. What a complete mess this has all become.
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@kuballin10 Stronger argument that Hunter is the issue.
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Passmore is the next domino to fall it looks.
Hall had his zoom call with the staff, TBD next.
Dix took his Illinois visit. Their board is a bit optimistic he lands there it seems
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I hate college basketball.
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I feel about the same
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I’m getting there too
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There it is…Passmore
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I’ll root for that kid on the next stop.
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As sad as I am to see Passmore leaving I can see it from his side of the fence. There were several games this season when he got hooked and pulled out of the game after one mistake while others were allowed to make dozens without Bill even seeming to get on them. Like my grandfather used to say when you pray for rain you have to deal with the mud sometimes. Bill made his bed and now he has to deal with the consequences no matter how unfortunate it is for us.
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@kjayhawks He was encouraged to leave.
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Passmore was a top 50 recruit? Never saw even a flash from him. Maybe the next stop he will live up to his HS ranking.
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@BShark I don’t agree with that but let just have to hope things work out. He looked like a good player in a few years if he stuck around. We ain’t gonna be able to get a bunch portal guys that want to sit on the bench
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@dylans said in The portal.:
Passmore was a top 50 recruit? Never saw even a flash from him. Maybe the next stop he will live up to his HS ranking.
He averaged less than 5 minutes per game, a little tough to showcase a lot in those situations
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@kjayhawks said in The portal.:
@BShark I don’t agree with that but let just have to hope things work out. He looked like a good player in a few years if he stuck around. We ain’t gonna be able to get a bunch portal guys that want to sit on the bench
Ask @TYOHawk about my Passmore information. It comes from the best possible place. There is also a small scenario where he would be back but I would not bet money on that.
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@BShark said in The portal.:
@kjayhawks He was encouraged to leave.
Too bad about Passmore. He looked like he had potential on D, and he has the proper size and athleticism to compete. I was hoping he’d stick around a few years or so as a foundational piece.
I saw a few flashes this year. Obviously limited viewing opportunities.
These are the kind of guys Bill develops.
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
@kjayhawks He was encouraged to leave.
Too bad about Passmore. He looked like he had potential on D, and he has the proper size and athleticism to compete. I was hoping he’d stick around a few years or so as a foundational piece.
I saw a few flashes this year. Obviously limited viewing opportunities.
These are the kind of guys Bill develops.
Yeah, I wish there was time to develop anymore…
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Like a young Och or CB.
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@BShark said in The portal.:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
@kjayhawks He was encouraged to leave.
Too bad about Passmore. He looked like he had potential on D, and he has the proper size and athleticism to compete. I was hoping he’d stick around a few years or so as a foundational piece.
I saw a few flashes this year. Obviously limited viewing opportunities.
These are the kind of guys Bill develops.
Yeah, I wish there was time to develop anymore…
I think things are going to have to settle down with transfers and NIL in a year or two.
We have to weather the storm. And hope Self is the right guy to deal with fresh players every year. Off the top it sure doesn’t seem like it.
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@BShark I guess we can hope to be Dook and have all new players but 1 or 2. I just don’t realistically see it working in Selfs system
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Up until this year, I always backed Bill, especially if something went down with a player. This year I changed and backed the players over Bill. That didn’t come easy to do. I still am a huge fan of Bill. Something has happened and I think we are all in the dark on what has happened within the program. At this point, it really sickens me to listen to fans criticizing our players.
Congrats to Houston! Sampson is absolutely one of the best coaches in D1. They are a team full of non-NBA talent that worked hard, plays as a team, and leaves their guts on the court!
I’m a fan of college ball. When KU stinks like they have the past few years, I still remain a Jayhawk but I don’t give up on supporting players and teams everywhere. Maybe this will piss off some of you…. I am going to mention other teams and my appreciation makes me compare directions to us. First is Houston. They’ve been on the edge of greatness for some time and that final lift was joining the B12. Sampson doesn’t need pro-bound players in his system.
Hold your noses now…. I’m a fan of Pope at Kentucky. It had to be a challenge coming in after Cal. His first year outperformed us in March. It took him all year to defeat the critics in their fan base.
This is going to make you sick…. Duke seems like they have D1 figured out. I hate that school. And I didn’t like Scheyer right from the start. But he has done something similar to what ratface did…. He developed a winning system. It’s hard to imagine that we beat them this year. Had we drawn them in March… get real… they would have beat us by 50. They are a team of youth and new players and you wouldn’t know it now. I thought this team would meltdown in March because of counting on youth and no way I believe it now. They have to be the fav to win it all. Makes me want to barf but it makes me compare how they got there. They did it by developing Scheyer then using his knowledge and youthful energy as their base. They brought in a GM to be better prepared in recruiting and NIL. They have built an excellent basketball atmosphere around their program. Their students do creative projects to build team support. They seem to have more past stars constantly involved. They easily have the most to offer top recruits. So they are the future of revolving door basketball. What makes them different is their understanding of what it takes to win. Cal never had a real plan. He lived off of boasting how many players he got into the league only. I still hate Duke, but I’m taking notes.
I’m watching all these other programs… UCONN, Auburn, Houston…. then I look at us and I don’t think we can recruit enough to play with the big boys today. It still seems like we aren’t going in the right direction. To me, it feels like we aren’t keeping up with top teams. Recruiting a top tier player isn’t going to cut it. The stakes have gone up around us. Our league is losing esteem to the SEC. Not sure we can win our own league again anytime soon. We no longer can blame being investigated by the NCAA for why we aren’t sizzling with talent.
Burying our heads in the sand won’t improve things. I will always be a Jayhawk and will continue to throw in my lousy 2 cents on how to make it better.
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Build more basketball atmosphere - be more creative building student enthusiasm. Yes… we have great student enthusiasm but we can do better developing closer and better connective enthusiasm with our team. We need more than late night, and late night needs an overhaul. You want to recruit more players excited from our basketball environment, then build it up more. I love having the rules but how many recruits did it win over? Involve more of our legend players into the atmosphere.
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Resolve coaching situation - I’m not calling for Bill to resign, but we need to acknowledge that something isn’t working properly. This became obvious this year. We were probably the most-experienced team in D1 but we played like a high school team. It was more than having a bad match of players. These guys didn’t improve at all this entire season and may have even gone backwards. An easy cop out is to blame the character of the players. Then explain why the transfers mostly had huge drop offs in their stats. This stupid idea that they just got spoiled on NIL shows an ignorance in knowing the psyche of players. None of these guys got to this level without wanting to win and having good personal pride. I’m convinced if we don’t have a change from this year’s approach, we are headed for the same thing next year, regardless of the talent we bring in. To win, our guys need to overachieve.
My guess is Bill has lost his edge after his heart problem. And up to now, we haven’t adjusted to make things better. I think we need a GM. We will be hiring one eventually and by waiting we are just delaying the benefits. I think we need a shake up in assistant coaches, too. Had we been smart like Duke, we would have been developing Self’s replacement for years. Seems to me Scheyer was an assistant for many years… maybe 8 years? I seriously doubt Self goes more than 1 or 2 years. If next year goes like this year, he will be gone. Not because he gets fired but he’ll leave on his own to save his legacy.
Did players develop this year? I can make arguments for Zeke and Flory only. I think both mostly improved by getting PT. Flory did seem to learn the most.
I feel like we suffered a black eye by recruiting Hunter over Zuby and Udeh. Not only did we lose those guys, it may have had an impression on Flory now. Every man for himself! I think Flory lost some enthusiasm after he played well when KJ went down, then came back and regained most or all of his minutes. Flory stumbled after that.
I’ve always felt like Bill was a player’s coach. He constantly goes to bat for his players. But this year he seemed to only be close with Juan and KJ. I didn’t sense a closeness on this team with Self like he used to have with his players. I remember how close he was with Sherron…. Frank…. and many/most of his guys. Granted, he had those guys for 4-5 years.
I think Bill is going in the wrong direction. His coaching model should be like Sampson… recruit athletic players coming to be developed. Then develop them. Sprinkle in a transfer or two. But we’ve never been a coaching staff capable enough to develop faster. What would have happened with KJ had he gone to Houston? I feel comfortable in saying he would have had a shot at the NBA. All those Houston guys can play and none have KJs athleticism. I firmly believe Bill needs better help around him. It won’t happen because of his loyalty.
Look at the Final Four and how these teams got there. Auburn… Pearl is a motivator! It helps him recruit and develop, and he’s the best cheerleader in games. Houston… Sampson knows how to develop players and teams. Duke… has the total basketball environment! Florida…. I don’t know enough about but feel sure they must have their strong suit.
I want to be optimistic but give me a reason for it! Maybe it’s enough to land better talent… but I doubt it. Bill is a HOFr for a reason and I’m holding on to that plus he has made changes before. I’m just afraid that the changes he needs to make now involve going against his loyalty.
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@drgnslayr thanks for taking the time to reason out this stance very well.
