Early Hearings TM
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@rockchalkjayhawk lol i love this
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@BeddieKU23 Funny that when guys from other winning programs come in and see the s-show with nepotism we run here they get mad and call it out
Rightfully so - been that way for years just the portal is finally exposing it. Guys don’t want to be treated like second class citizens when the “favorites” constantly mess up and lose but play through a multitude of mistakes that the new guys get yanked for
Just retire Self you aren’t getting saved by DP - no one can save you from your 1980’s basketball thought process
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Program is in a space that’s genuinely disheartening to see
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We going to confirm or deny Vernon’s reporting……
Pretty evident other 22+ year olds don’t like seeing the drastic favoritism with how 3 guys are treated compared to the rest of the team. Especially when those “other guys” were brought in to help but have been completely f’d out of playing aggressively and loose and their game
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Staff changes are coming
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@BShark some retirements?
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Early Hearings TM:
@BShark some retirements?
One of those, the other is going to be interesting if it happens…could be a firing but I’m sure that would rather be avoided officially.
So we are probably looking at replacing 1-2 assistants, and creating a “general manager” position.
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Do we HAVE to replace anyone who leaves? We have sooooo many coaches!
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@BShark said in Early Hearings TM:
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Early Hearings TM:
@BShark some retirements?
One of those, the other is going to be interesting if it happens…could be a firing but I’m sure that would rather be avoided officially.
So we are probably looking at replacing 1-2 assistants, and creating a “general manager” position.
Need to get rid of some of the yes man on the bench
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As long as it’s not KT, I support any changes made to the staff amd have been calling for it for awhile now.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Early Hearings TM:
As long as it’s not KT, I support any changes made to the staff amd have been calling for it for awhile now.
It’s sounding like Kurtis is just going to be there until the bitter end with Bill.
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@benshawks08 said in Early Hearings TM:
Do we HAVE to replace anyone who leaves? We have sooooo many coaches!
We have far less than most other programs fwiw. We really do need to add a couple spots imo. Namely someone to focus on fund raising and then someone to pound portal tape.
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I know coach Q’s son had some form of cancer, not sure he’s of age to retire. I think he’s beat it. I’d guess Norm next. Wonder if we’re bringing Frank in?
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whoa, interesting development.
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@BeddieKU23 I will say I’ve heard it for awhile, but wasn’t a believer until recently.
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Not saying it’s not needed, just that given his loyalty to many on the staff didn’t see it as likely
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And make no mistake, the opportunity to work for Bill and At KU will be HIGHLY sought after. Like sitting head coaches would peace out to take the job. I do expect Mike Boynton to make a short list tho
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One guy I’d love to see on staff is Anthony Grant but I don’t think there’s a world where he doesn’t retire a Flyer
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Boynton would be a quality option
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@FarmerJayhawk This is out of touch with reality and major homerism
Even the head coach at say umkc isn’t giving up his HC job to come sit on staff under Bill unless he was fired
Every guy wants to run his own program not be some assistant at a big name program
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@BShark Bill won’t listen to the gm as he’s already admitted publicly so this should be real interesting
Unless we learn to guard the 3 and also shoot more 3’s no gm will fix this
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@kuballin10 it’s a trend in the industry. Google is your friend. It’s further along in football where G5 HCs are taking P4 coordinator gigs
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@FarmerJayhawk Give me a few examples
I know Saban takes fired/failed hc’s and brings them in then sends them back on their way
But guys just quitting hc jobs without being fired to demote themselves to working for Self isn’t a thing
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@kuballin10 Chip Kelly, Scott Loeffler, Kane Wommack, Maurice Linguist.
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Those are good points but all football I’ve never seen this in bball
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@kuballin10 said in Early Hearings TM:
Those are good points but all football I’ve never seen this in bball
https://texastech.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/coaches/jeff-linder/4050
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There are former Jayhawks who have coached in the D League and elsewhere… Aaron Miles… Right? Just curious if that kind of candidate would be considered.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Early Hearings TM:
@kuballin10 Chip Kelly, Scott Loeffler, Kane Wommack, Maurice Linguist.
Chip Kelly - head case who didn’t like dealing with donors.
Scott - another failed Eagles project?
Kane - who?
Maurice - No more Buffalo football coaches for KU!
Flawed individuals like in the transfer portal - never the cream of the crop, but a bunch of also rans who can be useful.
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@dylans what about buffalo basketball coaches? (Nate Oats)
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@approxinfinity Might be ok. Not my dream coach.
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@dylans any coach coming off a F4 who goes out of their way to say “the only job I’d leave mine for is Kansas” gets major points with me. He’s on my short list
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Oats, Golden and Beard. Quite the group of upstanding citizens
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@BShark said in Early Hearings TM:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Early Hearings TM:
As long as it’s not KT, I support any changes made to the staff amd have been calling for it for awhile now.
It’s sounding like Kurtis is just going to be there until the bitter end with Bill.
KT almost went to prison for Bill. So no surprise here.
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@BShark not sure what this grouping is coming from, but pretty sure Oats/Golden don’t deserve to be lumped in with Beard
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@Kcmatt7 said in Early Hearings TM:
@BShark said in Early Hearings TM:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Early Hearings TM:
As long as it’s not KT, I support any changes made to the staff amd have been calling for it for awhile now.
It’s sounding like Kurtis is just going to be there until the bitter end with Bill.
KT almost went to prison for Bill. So no surprise here.
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@dylans said in Early Hearings TM:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Early Hearings TM:
@kuballin10 Chip Kelly, Scott Loeffler, Kane Wommack, Maurice Linguist.
Chip Kelly - head case who didn’t like dealing with donors.
Scott - another failed Eagles project?
Kane - who?
Maurice - No more Buffalo football coaches for KU!
Flawed individuals like in the transfer portal - never the cream of the crop, but a bunch of also rans who can be useful.
I was asked for examples of head coaches who left for assistant jobs. These are all really good football coaches, just tired of the head coaching grind at the G5 level, which the exception of Chip.
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@MR11 said in Early Hearings TM:
@BShark not sure what this grouping is coming from, but pretty sure Oats/Golden don’t deserve to be lumped in with Beard
Oats issued zero punishment for a star player, Brandon Miller, who provided the gun used by a teammate to murder a woman. Shades of Dave Bliss and Baylor there.
Golden was accused of sending nude videos of himself, harassment, and stalking a female student at Florida. He was cleared after an investigation, but there’s controversy around that as well based on how the investigation was handled in regards to Golden’s right to privacy being violated by the group conducting the Title IX investigation. One of Golden’s assistants is also under a Title IX investigation for inappropriately grabbing a female staffer.
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Yeah I am aware of their shortcomings, but Oats being light on punishment is the same in your mind as what Beard did? Know Golden being cleared doesn’t mean there wasn’t something going on, but even assuming everything he was accused of is true, it still falls short of being on the same level of chocking your spouse.
IMO Oats is a few tiers above Golden who is a tier above Beard.
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Seems like I missed a lot
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@MR11 said in Early Hearings TM:
Yeah I am aware of their shortcomings, but Oats being light on punishment is the same in your mind as what Beard did? Know Golden being cleared doesn’t mean there wasn’t something going on, but even assuming everything he was accused of is true, it still falls short of being on the same level of chocking your spouse.
IMO Oats is a few tiers above Golden who is a tier above Beard.
Simply put, yes. The Oats situation involved a person losing their life. The Golden situation is the first step to a Penn St. or Michigan St. situation and Golden not holding Taurean Green accountable for groping an employee is very telling of his character and what he’d allow to happen.
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Ah all the bad boy coaches seem to be the best at their jobs. Coorelation?
Doesn’t seem to stop universities from giving them multi-million-dollar salaries & making them some of the highest paid state employees. Where are their morals.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 You say that like Oats was accused of being an accessory. Maybe I am not remembering it correctly but he wasn’t trying to cover up anything and had not involvement leading up to the shooting. He was just selfish in not wanting to sit his star player and hold him accountable. IDK how that is anywhere close to being comparable to direct involvement of a crime and doing so kind of minimizes the severity of Beard’s domestic assault.
I still think Beard’s is worse but can see how you could reason Golden’s is comparable so won’t argue with you there.
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@MR11 he very easily could have put his program in serious jeopardy with his morally ambiguous actions. It’s a risky hire at the least.
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I dont see the the Charlotte Hornets having a problem with paying Brandon Miller. Why do we expect college coaches to be held to a higher moral standard when we measure their success in Ws and Ls?
I know I’m passing the buck here, and yes, that doesnt mean he has to be our coach.
I think Self has been on board with recruiting several questionable athletes. Glad we never had a situation where a star player supplied a murder weapon right before the tournament.
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If scruples don’t matter - Will Wade is a candidate. Just recruiting violations that are now legal if I’m not mistaken. Time served - I’m ok with this one.
Dream candidate is still a near zero chance Brad Stevens.
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@FarmerJayhawk many a failed head coach (for a multitude of reasons - performance to stress) makes a great assistant. Spags comes to mind. Nagy not so much. I liked Brad Childress and Doc Sadler better as assistants than head coaches despite any success. Too many to name. You’re correct.
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@dylans I agree that its not great and maybe I’m being pedantic but I would likely stop going to/watching KU games with Beard as the head coach. I don’t think the same would be true for me if they hired Oats.
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@approxinfinity said in Early Hearings TM:
I dont see the the Charlotte Hornets having a problem with paying Brandon Miller. Why do we expect college coaches to be held to a higher moral standard when we measure their success in Ws and Ls?
I know I’m passing the buck here, and yes, that doesnt mean he has to be our coach.
I think Self has been on board with recruiting several questionable athletes. Glad we never had a situation where a star player supplied a murder weapon right before the tournament.
I remember the Hornets catching a fair bit of flak for drafting Miller at the time.
We hold coaches to a higher moral standard because they are the public faces of universities and can have a major impact on other areas of a campus such as enrollment.
If a coach is willing to overlook, or play favorites when it comes to discipline, what else are they keeping in check within the program that could eventually blow up? Do we really want a coach who would be willing to turn a program into the 2008 Florida Gators (football) to win some extra games?
Self absolutely will take chances on players and that’s fine, that’s not the issue here. The issue and difference between Self and Oats is what happens to a player who makes a bad choice? We know Self has no issues removing problematic players from the program as we’ve seen countless times in the past, even if it negatively affects the on court product. Nate Oats doesn’t appear to be that coach and has me wondering what other skeletons might be in his coaching closet that he’s done nothing about?
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@MR11 said in Early Hearings TM:
@Texas-Hawk-10 You say that like Oats was accused of being an accessory. Maybe I am not remembering it correctly but he wasn’t trying to cover up anything and had not involvement leading up to the shooting. He was just selfish in not wanting to sit his star player and hold him accountable. IDK how that is anywhere close to being comparable to direct involvement of a crime and doing so kind of minimizes the severity of Beard’s domestic assault.
I still think Beard’s is worse but can see how you could reason Golden’s is comparable so won’t argue with you there.
If Oats isn’t willing to discipline a player involved in a murder case, what else has he let slide under his watch?
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@MR11 What if the events in question had happened while coaching at KU? I’d have been for holding them accountable and letting them go. Then you live with the aftermath. I’d like to pass on all of that if possible.
