Transfer Rumblings
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old acquaintance
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@BeddieKU23 said in Transfer Rumblings:
old acquaintance
For those that aren’t deep in the recruiting mire, as a JR in HS it was a KU/Baylor battle then he…didn’t develop as people hoped. Ended up at Vandy, transferred down to Rice and wasn’t great there either. Relationship builder for KU to take him at this point.
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remember he was a package deal to vandy with Dort who now is headed to Cal. Shelby was a prolific HS shooter and agree he hasn’t done much so far in College. Interesting
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@BeddieKU23 return of the Jedi!
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@kjayhawks I like it. I’m thinking Avengers: Endgame.
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@bskeet honestly if Bill wins the ship next season and passes Phog (3 games I believe) I could see him riding off into the sunset.
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@jayballer67 Well minus d2 starting and playing 32-35 minutes a game next year
Remember it’s coach speak. What coach would say “I don’t want to get more athletic”….none yet his decision on who plays says more than his words
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@Jhawk69 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@kuballin10 I think you are reaching here. You conveniently include all the things that went our way while ignoring the things that did not go our way in 2022 (Creighton having their best 3 point shooting game of the season and making tough 3s, Villanova doing the same, UNC getting some favorable calls from the refs). It is also important to recognize that luck is a part of every title run. If you want to make a strong case against Self I would suggest using the following points
A) arguing that he got us wrapped up in sanctions
B )arguing that with all the regular season titans and all the talent he has had he should have more than 2 titles and 3/4 final fours
C) arguing that his style of developing players over the the course of years worked well in the past but won’t work in the modern era of unlimited free agency
I would still disagree with you but if you were to focus on these points you would at least have an argument worth respecting. The argument you have now is just lazy and is clearly focused more on scoring “debate points” than on employing close analysis to reach any sort of truth.
@Jhawk69 Creighton made more threes against another big 10 team
We made the same amount as nova
Don’t remember anything officiating wise
A) sanctions aren’t bills fault because everyone is cheating he just got caught. If he didn’t throw money at players we don’t field a legit team
100% agree here. His style of play is why we don’t have 3-5 titles because we’ve had the best team in the nation at least that many times if not more. Maybe he should see how adjusting his philosophy would help his team excel in March more when it comes to performing up to their seedc) Player development he’s had both some major wins and losses. Frank, Devonte ect studs. Bills issue is he doesn’t play it fair. He yanks those early in the season he doesn’t like after 1 mistake but d2 could make 10 mistakes his first, second, third ect year playing and was never quick hooked.
For Self it’s more philosophical. Defending inside out and scoring inside out isn’t the game nor what athletes are geared towards. He needs to adjust how he defends especially and get some new standard motions because the weave is not ideal.
His best teams are guys multi years in the program and that’s really tough to come by with the portal. He’s got d2, Hunter and kj unfortunately he thinks they are all studs and doesn’t see their limitations
Mayo
Small
Griffen
Storr
Hunter
Wish this would be the lineup from the jump but that ain’t gonna happen.
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@kuballin10 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@jayballer67 Well minus d2 starting and playing 32-35 minutes a game next year
Remember it’s coach speak. What coach would say “I don’t want to get more athletic”….none yet his decision on who plays says more than his words
Wrong-- -ONCE AGAIN. - -Coach saying he is tired of watching un Athletic Guards
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@jayballer67 I mean it’s a fact dajuan isn’t very athletic. Doesn’t take away from the fact that he knows and plays his role
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@jayballer67 He’s gonna start one of the most unathletic at the pg spot next year….thats my point
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@Jhawk69 great thoughts
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@rcjhdraft @kuballin10 ”athletic” has always seemed to me a deceptively subjective assessment. Juan has long arms and uses them to maximize defensive disruption and in achieving great passing angles and handling the rock well. Isnt that a form of athleticism? Also, isnt the brain an organ, ie part of the body? How does one separate the brain from what their body achieves with it?
My biggest problem with Juan is the lapses that hopefully were a product of fatigue. I dont think we will be complaining nearly as much next year about sloppy possessions on either end from him if his minutes are under 30.
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@approxinfinity IMO I always believed athleticism manifested itself via a combination of explosion, jumping ability and speed and dajuan has never really showcased that(always plays slow and doesn’t finish great near the rim). His gifts manifest themselves via finding the open man and playing good defense. With all the scorers that we’ve gotten this offseason he just needs to keep hitting the open man.
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@kuballin10 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@jayballer67 He’s gonna start one of the most unathletic at the pg spot next year….thats my point
It’s always a pleasure to hear from you
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@rcjhdraft I agree with you assessment, you don’t have to be a great athlete to play D1 but it helps for sure. Niang for ISU had a recorded vertical jump of I believe 18 inches at the combine. @approxinfinity Juans wing span is why he is here. If he has a normal wing span he’s playing at SEMO. Juan has never exploded off the dribble and beat anyone to the rim or dunked that I’ve ever seen (was rejected by the rim once last season). Never seen a play from him that screams athleticism.
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Alright. I think he will look more athletic next year, playing less minutes, and hopefully more intense defense, with teammates who can finish.
But i take your points. He is not an explosive finisher or a high flyer and he isn’t particularly fast on the break.
His hands are fast.
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@approxinfinity i hope you are correct sir.
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@approxinfinity Juan can dunk! He can jump too. His bb iq is off the charts.
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@approxinfinity Fair points
D2’s passing angles are minimal because every team has figured out to go under ball screens with him
His ball handling isn’t good; he’s extremely loose with the ball
He’s not a legitimate KU d1 athlete he’s more mo state level
We can agree to disagree but remember all this hype for this roster and watch how it plays out this year….
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@rcjhdraft hit the open man but more importantly take and hit the open 3 so there’s more room for the open man
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Jaxson Robinson in the portal……I’m sure we “reach out” but he ain’t coming here right @BShark
Maybe if Bill didn’t have his pets
Mayo
Griffen
Storr
Robinson
Hunter
My word
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@kuballin10 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@approxinfinity Fair points
D2’s passing angles are minimal because every team has figured out to go under ball screens with him
His ball handling isn’t good; he’s extremely loose with the ball
He’s not a legitimate KU d1 athlete he’s more mo state level
We can agree to disagree but remember all this hype for this roster and watch how it plays out this year….
Yes. Let’s watch.
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@Woodrow If Juan plays 32+ minutes a game I know the outcome even if two nba guys are his wings
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Watching sports with the intention to get angry about it is so weird to me.
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@BShark said in Transfer Rumblings:
Watching sports with the intention to get angry about it is so weird to me.
That’s why I don’t go to sports bars…
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If Kugel makes it to campus…this will be our most athletic roster in years and that truly excites me.
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@TYOHawk said in Transfer Rumblings:
If Kugel makes it to campus…this will be our most athletic roster in years and that truly excites me.
Lob city Jayhawks
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@BShark It’s frustration that you assemble this incredible roster only to limit it with the minutes distribution due to “players the coach favors”.
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It couldn’t possibly be that coach favors the players who help us win games
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@Jhawk69 that guy Bill Self is LUCKY to win 800 games!
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@BShark said in Transfer Rumblings:
@TYOHawk said in Transfer Rumblings:
If Kugel makes it to campus…this will be our most athletic roster in years and that truly excites me.
Lob city Jayhawks
Dajuan should be in heaven with these wings man.
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@approxinfinity said in Transfer Rumblings:
@Jhawk69 that guy Bill Self is LUCKY to win 800 games!
And an amazing PR talent, fooling hundreds of sportswriters, coaches, and athletes for some 30 years.
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@kuballin10 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@BShark It’s frustration that you assemble this incredible roster only to limit it with the minutes distribution due to “players the coach favors”.
@kuballin10 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@BShark It’s frustration that you assemble this incredible roster only to limit it with the minutes distribution due to “players the coach favors”.
Listening to a pod ast today, they were saying face it, the KU point guard is going to play in between 30-35 minutes a game at Ku - -no matter who it is - -That’s just Bill , he is loyal to his point guards.
Now for the people who talk all the shade on Juan , like they pointed out , people thinking about how much better we could do without Juan Juan has accomplished just as much - -done just as well aa many of others that ha played for Coach, - -Juan has helped win a Championship , just a well pr better then others that has run the point
Let’s look:—Frank Mason - -how many did we win when Frank run some point ? - – -Devonte ? - – - Devon ?-- did we win any more Championships with them then we have with Juan, running point? — Have our Seasons records been any worse with Juan then with those guys other maybe this yr ? – How about when TyShawn was here ?- -the answer to that Question is NO- -we haven’t. Some of those guys ew didn’t win a Championship.
This yr you think he sucked ? - -played to many minutes ? - Quite possible who the hell you gonna replace him with ? -El Marko - psssst please , they had to rely on Kevin to try and run point just so Juan COULD get any kind of break.- -Bill couldn’t and didn’t feel comfortable with anyone else and very understandable why. - -Why was Juan not as good this year, well like they said for one–they was Playing Hunter and KJ on the floor at the same time to much–just can’t do that it’s a bad combination for an extended length of time— causes bad spacing. - -Was that Juan’s fault ?- -ummm no - -caused some forced passes. - -If Juan is sooooo bad tell me why is it he is always towards the top of the League in assists per game , for one- - Steals ?
You tak about how he doesn’t shoot- - doesn’t score enough?- -Again like they brought out today let’s give you an example - -you want Scoring pg ?-- Scoring PG’s going to win you a Championship ? – Well how about this for example–other then how they played in the regular Seasons what has Calipari accomplished the last 12 years or so with the Stud explosive Pg’s he has had ? - – - They accomplished no more then Juan.-- -Calipari’s teams have been put out in 1st rounds - - -rounds of 32 like some people here like to ring up- -or not even making the tourney with all the 5 star stud point guards they have haad during the time–explosive PG’s that you want to shoot- -well they shot- - -how many Championships have they won? – -Hmm no more then one if that—no better then Juan has helped accomplish here at Ku.—Look at some of those pg’s he has had an what did they get?- - - -Zelch that’s what.–I mean Uk had --Maxey - – Wall - - Alexander-- Fox-- - -Murray - -how many Championships did they win ? -One between them just like Juan -if that . - these guys were all or most were 5 star golden boys and you got ONE championship between them just like Juan – ONE FRIKEN CHAMPIONSHIP, hmmm wonder why if they are so much better then Juan what the F - - - happened wit their group ?- - UK had star studded teams with stud golden boy PG’s and didn’t win squat
Save your breath trying to tell me about things they might have won individually and not even sure if they won anything individually, but last time I knew the GOAL for every team is to win the National title. --Being an all American, or league MVP- -or any othr individual honor is jack squat for the team- -It’s suppose to be about th team - -NOT the individual, and Kentucky is just one example of teams with Really talent point guards that haven’t accomplished one da thing more then this un heard of kid with hardly any accolades coming out of High School. - What was Juan a 3 star kid–all these Golden boys 5 star and they didn’t accomplish jack shit that Juan didn’t Whether yo want to admit it or not Juan was Huge in a lot of ways other then scoring in our come back win over North Carolina–defending - -assists-- and some scoring- Hell ya is a pass first PG, he directs the offense- I’m glad we have him, he doesn’t decide the minutes Coach does that and has done pretty well at it. --Ya he play a lot of minutes this past year-- -cause HE HAD TO we had no depth or anyone else that could do any better – Looking forward to him on the floor again this yr
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@jayballer67 I attempted to scan all of that.
I’ll stick to my point if Juan plays 30-35 mpg we will not win a title. We will be lucky to get to the final 4.
You can quote those team accolades for him but it shows guys on the podcast and many other supporters didn’t bother to watch what took place against creighton, providence and unc…… just complete revisionist history
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@Jhawk69 Worked well this year eh??? What about Morningstar and Reed over Selby….howd that number 1 team turn out? They burn through the tourney winning by 15???
What about Jamari Taylor and that whole situation how’d those teams do???
Proof is in the pudding. Self can win games no arguments but he limits the ceiling of the team but maintains a high floor.
He should have 4-5 titles but doesn’t. Got 1 because we had just nba studs in 08 and 22 was sheer luck that we were due from all our previous bad tourney breaks.
For all the top rosters and number 1 seeds and his “coaching and x’ing and o’ing it” it’s produced good lil 12 titles and 30 win seasons with more disappointments than mountain tops
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Remember folks, nobody has won titles with good players or a good draw. It’s only Self
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@kuballin10 Great point! Not winning the title every year and having a down year (which would be a good year for most programs) last season proves that Self has no idea which players to play.
I also agree that playing Josh “20 turnovers a game” Selby would have helped us survive VCU’s fluke 3 point barrage and win the title in 2020.
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@Jhawk69 One of the Morris twins made up for it with 8 TOs. Just remember, the Gospel of HEM is holy writ that it was Self’s fault because he played Brady instead of better players (who no doubt would have improved our 9% 3pt avg and overall <36% FG avg).
kuballin’ is an accolyte of the Dark Lord…or maybe a reincarnation.
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@mayjay said in Transfer Rumblings:
@Jhawk69 One of the Morris twins made up for it with 8 TOs. Just remember, the Gospel of HEM is holy writ that it was Self’s fault because he played Brady instead of better players (who no doubt would have improved our 9% 3pt avg and overall <36% FG avg).
kuballin’ is an accolyte of the Dark Lord…or maybe a reincarnation.
The Saruman to HEM’s Sauron.
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Don’t mean to interrupt the shitting on kuballin, but was wondering if anyone had a program vibes update on if Kugel’s transfer will get worked out?
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@MR11 said in Transfer Rumblings:
Don’t mean to interrupt the shitting on kuballin, but was wondering if anyone had a program vibes update on if Kugel’s transfer will get worked out?
He needs to get about 6 credits sorted out. There is optimism around the situation.
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@FarmerJayhawk Yeah that’s 100% what I said - solid analysis there Farmer.
People hammer Cal for his roster talent and 1 title
Bill’s had the same talent and has 2 with all those 1 seeds ect. Something to dive into there….and yes, it has to do with philosophy and minute distribution
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@Jhawk69 I mean seems to be 100% proof.
Selby could least athletically compete with vcu in 2012……fluke or not go figure another team careers it from deep against us. Every team does it’s almost like it has to do with the defensive system the guys are coaches on……
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@BShark can’t he just take some summer courses and call it good?
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@kuballin10 I’d argue Bill doesn’t have the same talent as Cal. Kentucky almost always has over 5-6 5 star guys. Cal just doesn’t coach them up. Most stay a yr and move on to the NBA. Look at our Championship yr, how many 5 stars did we have? Our coaches always find hidden talented guys then coach them up. They stay awhile and get better. Once in awhile we get a Wiggs and an embiid. Not often. As we know now, Kentucky fans were getting tired of that.
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@kuballin10 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@FarmerJayhawk Yeah that’s 100% what I said - solid analysis there Farmer.
People hammer Cal for his roster talent and 1 title
Bill’s had the same talent and has 2 with all those 1 seeds ect. Something to dive into there….and yes, it has to do with philosophy and minute distribution
Self has 100% absolutely not been handed the same talent as Cal… That is an insane comment.
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@Woodrow The dumbest comment I’ve read in years frankly. Just look at how many are still in the NBA. It’s not close. Cal has unreal talent constantly.
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@BShark NIT coach!
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@kuballin10 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@jayballer67 I attempted to scan all of that.
I’ll stick to my point if Juan plays 30-35 mpg we will not win a title. We will be lucky to get to the final 4.
You can quote those team accolades for him but it shows guys on the podcast and many other supporters didn’t bother to watch what took place against creighton, providence and unc…… just complete revisionist history
Team acoledes is what it’s about sparky. You don’t win a Championship OR lose a Championship because of one plyer. No matter how hard you have it for Juan, there is no way possible that he could lose a championship by himself. - So many other things contribute to that.
Again simple question AGAIN - -how many Championships that you would much rather play Pg for us instead of Juan - - Simple question - -how many Championships did those golden boys win ? - - Go ahead I’ll wait… Here let me help you out - - -NONE or if they got lucky ONE just like Juan - -not anymore - -how’s that for your 5* wonders ? -chaps your ass a little doesn’t it? -they didn’t do any better then the one you lose sleep over cause he plays - -dam don’t that just bite your ass roflmao.
Juan is a typical pass oriented Pg. - -Always has been -always will be -and STILL done as much as your golden spooned Bitch’s - What is KU’s record overall with Juan running the point ?— And won a Natty on top of that - -I’d say pretty dam good. Hang in there sparky, you just keep barking, maybe some day you will gt somebody to listen to babble on and on. - Have a great day- – -ROCK CHALK
