World Cup thread!
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Dest loses Blind on the second goal
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We have chronically not marked men
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Unmarked 3rd goal. Robinson. Zero awareness
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Mark up people. Basic soccer.
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So we need to get some production out of counters or out of corners. We got very little from either
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Well, there ya go.
You can’t say we didn’t have a good chance to win that game. Going into the game i thought this would be a loss, but sad in the way it turned out to be a loss. Didn’t need to be.
Generally speaking we played well. We have a lot of possession, a lot of good possession, too. Today the loss came down to very poor individual decisions and execution.
Tyler Adams. Man. the only mistake this guy has made the entire tournament. honestly. he’s been amazing. didn’t track back. basic stuff. And it was infuriating to watch as he didn’t even make an effort, seeing the guy lollygagging to the top of the box. that was a heart breaker.
Sergino Dest. Just decides to not bother to cover a dude breaking into the box for another easy goal. makes no sense. I don’t see how you can blame either of those Dutch goals on youth.
They capitalized on our basic errors, and we didn’t even come close to capitalizing. So many good chances. We really just don’t have the poise, or skill compared to other world cup teams to finish at the net.
Pulisic??? Jesus, dude. He puts that first opportunity in, and we have a different game. He needs to be banned from any free kick/corners in the future.
Pleased with most of today’s effort, but very disappointed with a few bad choices.
Don’t get me started on passes from Zimmerman and Ream from the back that seemed straight forward but were picked off easily.
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I think we exceeded expectations.
I concur that the disparity is very obvious between skill level of US and other teams left in the world cup.
We need to develop talent at grass roots level and focus on player and skill development.
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Outcoached today, it happens.
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@BShark said in World Cup thread!:
Outcoached today, it happens.
Nah, today’s loss had nothing to do with coaching.
All individual mistakes, judgment calls.
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@rockchalkjayhawk i dont agree. If you get beaten 3 times not marking men, have your supposed face of the team blasting away toothless shots every counter from before the final 3rd, with space ahead of him, and get nothing from flat corners, thats coaching.
At least it speaks to that being acceptavle behavior in training.
Watch Jedi defending corners. Has anyone ever told him to mark the man attacking far post?
If he ever did what he did today on defending corners in practice he should have gotten strong correction. And i like jedi.
I guess another possibility is that they need higher level of training at club but these guys are EPL (adams, Robinson) and serie a (dest)
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Ive been watching a lot of All or Nothing about EPL teams on prime. One consistent theme is that top coaches expect players to give it all in training.
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@approxinfinity said in World Cup thread!:
@rockchalkjayhawk i dont agree. If you get beaten 3 times not marking men, have your supposed face of the team blasting away toothless shots every counter from before the final 3rd, with space ahead of him, and get nothing from flat corners, thats coaching.
At least it speaks to that being acceptavle behavior in training.
Watch Jedi defending corners. Has anyone ever told him to mark the man attacking far post?
If he ever did what he did today on defending corners in practice he should have gotten strong correction. And i like jedi.
I guess another possibility is that they need higher level of training at club but these guys are EPL (adams, Robinson) and serie a (dest)
I dunno. Who knows. Maybe it’s long term coaching. I generally found no fault in our game plan today, so that’s what i meant by not a coaching issue today. If you want to blame long term coaching issues for the detailed decisions we made today, OK.
We were indeed beaten on every goal today by guys not marking. horrendous. We’ve been pretty good at that in the lead up to today, so can we say the coaching was good then? Just seems like tired legs, bad decisions, no conversations between players. Maybe you can blame GGG for not swapping out some players who have played major minutes? Fresh legs would have helped?
Obviously i’m no world cup payer or coach, but when i played, you were constantly screaming at each other about marking, who’s got who, who needs to cover what ground, who needs to switch, who needs to cover near and far post if somebody has to cover a run up the middle, recognize an overload, etc. Something went wrong today for sure.
So, maybe that’s coaching. Seems if you have guys with experience in the back like Ream, Zimm, Dest and Jedi, they should know better – at the very least from their club experience.
The toothless shots were a bit embarrassing, i agree, as were the corners.
So, i’m assuming GGG is a goner after this WC. Time for some fresh ideas?
Now if only we could find a dude who can play striker…
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@rockchalkjayhawk i think we are 100% on same page, well stated. I dont know if hes a goner tbh. But i kind of hope so while i do appreciate him getting us back to the cup and out of group play, bearing the torch.
I also want to know who makes the personnel decisions and if switching head coaches will create too much volatility
The hunt should be on for both a striker and CBs. When netherlands got up and packed it in we attacked the central channel unsuccessfully. We desperately needed to be able to generate offense by getting it wide and crossing in to an aerial attack. Or from corners. But this team was chronically incapable of both those things. Need an aerial game. Its been non existant for a while.
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@approxinfinity said in World Cup thread!:
@rockchalkjayhawk i think we are 100% on same page, well stated. I dont know if hes a goner tbh. But i kind of hope so while i do appreciate him getting us back to the cup and out of group play, bearing the torch.
I also want to know who makes the personnel decisions and if switching head coaches will create too much volatility
The hunt should be on for both a striker and CBs. When netherlands got up and packed it in we attacked the central channel unsuccessfully. We desperately needed to be able to generate offense by getting it wide and crossing in to an aerial attack. Or from corners. But this team was chronically incapable of both those things. Need an aerial game. Its been non existant for a while.
Ha. we can always dream about having a striker! We’ve had some past success (Donovan, Dempsey, McBride, maybe Jozy), so it doesn’t seem out of the realm of possibility that we can uncover another.
Dunno about GGG’s future. That will be interesting. Are McBride and Ernie Stewart in charge of talent?
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Reading more about GGG and his potential to stay or get booted. Good read about his tactics and players, with praise and criticism.
Interesting paragraph in there about demanding his high press for 90 min, which obviously tires his players. Maybe we did need to make more tactical subs.
https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/even-with-world-cup-results-usa-fans-divided-on-gregg-berhalter
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Oh my!
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Two massive showings by goalies in PKs. Love it!
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@BShark did you watch Brazil carve up Korea yesterday? Filth!
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@approxinfinity Yeah they were violent in the first half.
Portugal look a lot better without Ronaldo as expected.
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Amazin saves by the goalie
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If Portugal decides to keep playing a useful player instead of #7 I am higher on their chances.
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Hat trick by Ramos. Go ahead and smile young man!
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I heard #7’s replacement went nuts! wow. gonna have to check out the highlights.
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Goncalo Ramos. Ronaldwho?
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Man, no soccer today! Bummer.
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Roger Bennett, host of American Fiasco, had a spot on heartfelt take right after the US loss, if you still need a little commiseration: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/men-in-blazers-12-03-22-do-it-live-usmnt-instant-reax/id908407811?i=1000588630513
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Wow! this argentina/netherlands game is getting out of control! fisticuffs!
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What a day.
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Just Incredible
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Kinda disappointed they didn’t show us a replay when an Argentina player knocked over a Netherlands guy in the box. this after they gave Argentina a PK. we’ll never know…
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@approxinfinity Did you know Roger Bennett is a big White Sox fan? When he first came to live in the US it was in the Chicago area and his host family took him to some Sox games he was hooked. Bennett is great on MSNBC on Monday Mornings.
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Just took a dark turn. Grant Wahl is dead. Confirmed by NPR.
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@BShark Wow. His brother believes foul play from the Qatar government? Seriously?
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@wissox Quite possible yes. He was kicked out of a game and detained for a bit earlier. Then the last article he published last night was about how they just don’t care about all the migrant worker deaths.
Something I will be following for sure. Very sad.
I think most here know but he is from Kansas originally. Wrote the Mario’s Miracle article for SI.
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Ok, I was trying to remember the name, thinking I knew it for some reason. Didn’t know he was a Kansas. This is going to become a big story this weekend it looks like.
Corrupt FIFA will have blood on their hands for awarding the world cup to this repressive country.
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Reading more about Wahl…sad.
He said he’d been pretty sick, but tested negative for covid earlier in the week. Been to the medical clinics. They gave him antibiotics for bronchitis. Said he got worse, felt his chest get worse.
So, not sure about the conspiracy theories.
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Spectacular goal by Morocco.
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@wissox Feeling like a team of destiny.
@rockchalkjayhawk I saw where Wahl’s wife is claiming he was not sick so things are murky for sure. Sad that we even have to think about it.
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In the other world cup, aka NCAA D1 soccer, Indiana and Syracuse will meet in the NC Monday evening, I think it’s at 6 central. Indiana in case you didn’t know is a multi generational dynasty. Coach Yeagley is the son of the coach who built it into a powerhouse and he’s continued. His dad won 7 rings and the son now is in his 3rd NC game, but yet to win one.
Their goalie was spectacular last night and has a clean sheet for the entire tournament.
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How about Morocco?
Wow.
Amazing win.
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@BShark said in World Cup thread!:
@wissox Feeling like a team of destiny.
@rockchalkjayhawk I saw where Wahl’s wife is claiming he was not sick so things are murky for sure. Sad that we even have to think about it.
Meh, I don’t buy into conspiracy theories. Certainly hope nothing fishy was going on, but he himself was updating us on his poor health. Sucks all around. Hope they do an autopsy to reveal cause of death.
“What had been a cold over the last 10 days turned into something more severe on the night of the USA-Netherlands game, and I could feel my upper chest take on a new level of pressure and discomfort,” Wahl wrote on his website.
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Sad news indeed.
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Sorry to hear the news, especially about a fellow Kansan. He lived here in Seattle for a while in the early 2000s.
When Grant was with Sports Illustrated as a soccer & college basketball analyst, he wrote a great article about KU’s win in the 2008 NCAA title game. I’ve got that issue stashed away somewhere.
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FR vs Eng was an incredible game, some amazing shots and saves.
I hope that Kane can get over the missed penalty sooner rather than later, he is a fantastic player.
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@wissox said in World Cup thread!:
@approxinfinity Did you know Roger Bennett is a big White Sox fan? When he first came to live in the US it was in the Chicago area and his host family took him to some Sox games he was hooked. Bennett is great on MSNBC on Monday Mornings.
Had no idea! Nice.
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@BShark at the risk of being awkward did you see what i msgd you?
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@approxinfinity I did. Really didn’t have a response but I read any dm I get.
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@BShark awkward!
ha. I was just shocked that he pulled it.
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Aha! Shit is rolling down hill about Gio and his lack of effort and general poutiness in Qatar.
That explains his lack of playing time.
I don’t subscribe to The Athletic, which is where the original story came from. Others are aggregating.
Sounds like the emotions of a 20 year old not getting his way. Good to know in some respects, but not good to know he’s acting that way.
Reporting from Paul Tenorio and Sam Stejskal described team-wide frustration at Reyna’s lack of intensity in a pre-Cup friendly against Al-Gharafa SC of the Qatari league on Nov. 19, a game the US won 6–0.
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in World Cup thread!:
Reading more about Wahl…sad.
He said he’d been pretty sick, but tested negative for covid earlier in the week. Been to the medical clinics. They gave him antibiotics for bronchitis. Said he got worse, felt his chest get worse.
So, not sure about the conspiracy theories.
Well, the conspiracy theorists can relax. The autopsy for Grant Wahl is out. He died from ruptured aortic aneurysm. Sounds like that explains his chest symptoms. Sad passing.
