2021 Transfer Talk/List
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@Marco said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:
@BShark said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:
No room. Good player though.
There could be room if Self makes Ochai’s decision for him.
Ochai is gone.
Agree Ochai is I think Gone. - -whether it be in G league stint or over sea’s I just really feel his KU days are done. - -Bottom line is I don’t really think there is a lot more ceiling for him , I think he hasa almost reached what he is what he has got. - - Pretty good College player - - ( at times ) other times you would even know he was on our roster
You stop and think about it , the doorway to the NBA is pretty narrow. I mean you got 60 players drafted out of how many hopefuls ? - -there is just not a lot of room for error. - -He just not quite good enough to make the roster , like so many others seeking NBA kind of a tweener , pretty good College but not quite Good enough for the NBA. we have seen it before Yet there is still enough various Leagues around and like i said over sea’s there is room for money to be made.
Who know ? - -maybe in a couple of years he MIGHT improve his skills enough where he can give it another shot. Yet he can be making SOME kind of money while working on those things he needs to improve on. - -I just don’t see him coming back. Actually if he doesn’t I think we are going to be just fine with what we got.
Jalen coming back helps a lot -Still think Remy shows, we have those two with what is here - - we are legit
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@Oldmanhawk I don’t think that he’ll be able to improve his draft stock any by returning. If he did or does come back, his playing time will probably be decreased.
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39% from the field is a bit concerning but hopefully his shooting efficiency would go up with less volume.
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@KirkIsMyHinrich said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:
39% from the field is a bit concerning but hopefully his shooting efficiency would go up with less volume.
For sure. Minnesota was ass terrible and John Wooden little Ricky was not
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Remy + Carr and we are natty favourites.
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@FarmerJayhawk it won’t open for me. What’s this about?
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@rockchalkwyo KU, UK, Texas, and Louisville, among others, are heavily recruiting Marcus Carr.
Texas seems to be the best fit on paper but we’ll see.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:
@rockchalkwyo KU, UK, Texas, and Louisville, among others, are heavily recruiting Marcus Carr.
Texas seems to be the best fit on paper but we’ll see.
less I’m counting wrong , we don’t have room right? - -are we talking about for this upcoming year or Next
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@jayballer67 said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:
@FarmerJayhawk said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:
@rockchalkwyo KU, UK, Texas, and Louisville, among others, are heavily recruiting Marcus Carr.
Texas seems to be the best fit on paper but we’ll see.
less I’m counting wrong , we don’t have room right? - -are we talking about for this upcoming year or Next
Only works numbers wise if Ochai stays in the draft.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:
@jayballer67 said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:
@FarmerJayhawk said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:
@rockchalkwyo KU, UK, Texas, and Louisville, among others, are heavily recruiting Marcus Carr.
Texas seems to be the best fit on paper but we’ll see.
less I’m counting wrong , we don’t have room right? - -are we talking about for this upcoming year or Next
Only works numbers wise if Ochai stays in the draft.
Ya, I thought so and I hate to say it but Dam - I think this kid for some reason ends up at Texas. - -Mercy hope not they would be LOADED for Bear
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Is KU pushing for Carr because Martin is planning on staying in the draft?
Because that’s the only reason for KU to be going after Marcus Carr.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 have we heard any news on him? Did he play in the G league combine?
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:
Is KU pushing for Carr because Martin is planning on staying in the draft?
Because that’s the only reason for KU to be going after Marcus Carr.
Negative, it’s in case Ochai stays in. Plan would be to play Carr and Remy together a la 2008 with Yesufu playing the role of Sherron, just not as good. Braun and JCL hold down the 3 spot.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 if Och is gone, Carr is 6’2 and a volume scorer. He replaces the O even if hes not a 3.
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Don’t think the Carr stuff has real legs.
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@FarmerJayhawk is it wrong if I would prefer this to Och?
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@BShark seems like unless Bill has something going behind the scenes that it would be shocking to me.
But I don’t count out anything now. You’re selling the starting PG role at a top tier university with both money and a NC to offer. Salty Iguana is about to introduce the Marcus Carrgarita. He’s about to get a commercial deal with a local dealership with they argue who is the “Carr expert.”
I genuinely think it will be a bidding war. And he’s a guy you make someone else leave for.
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Och back so…
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think Och heard tbe Marcus Carr transfer footsteps?
Welcome back Ochai! Lets get it!
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@approxinfinity said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:
think Och heard tbe Marcus Carr transfer footsteps?
Welcome back Ochai! Lets get it!
Och decided in late May. It was a pretty genuine change of heart though, wasn’t planning to come back initially which is why they took JCL.
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@BShark does JCL possibly decommit?
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@approxinfinity don’t think so, he is here for more than basketball. He will be a great locker room guy by all accounts.
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For those who are trying to keep score from home, can someone please list the roster at this point?
+ incoming freshman
++ transfer
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@bskeet said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:
For those who are trying to keep score from home, can someone please list the roster at this point?
+ incoming freshman
++ transfer
Lol yes - - I hear you beats me let’s see : - - Braun , McCormack . Harris , Martin , ( Not Remy as of this point ) Wilson , Agbaji , Pettiford , Clemence , Lightfoot , Yesufu , Cuffe , Adams , Coleman Lands
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@bskeet said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:
For those who are trying to keep score from home, can someone please list the roster at this point?
+ incoming freshman
++ transfer
Harris
Ochai
Braun
Wilson
Dave
Mitch
Cuffe +
Clemence +
KJ Adams +
Pettiford +
Remy ++
Yesufu ++
Jalen Coleman-Lands ++
Cam Martin ++
Mitch is “free” so 14 scholarship players this year.
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For the first time in memory, there are no real bench warmer/practice squad/garbage time only guys on the roster. Everyone can play - although obviously some won’t see much, if any time. There have to be 2-3 redshirts, right? HCBS isn’t going to change stripes - he always ends up playing just a 7-8 man rotation in games that matter. Maybe go to 9-10 this year? Even if so, that leaves 4-5 guys that won’t really get any PT. ? Who starts? Who are the first ones off the bench at lead guard, off the ball, and upfront? Which ones redshirt and which ones don’t, but mostly just sit and cheerlead?
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@DCHawker said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:
For the first time in memory, there are no real bench warmer/practice squad/garbage time only guys on the roster. Everyone can play - although obviously some won’t see much, if any time. There have to be 2-3 redshirts, right? HCBS isn’t going to change stripes - he always ends up playing just a 7-8 man rotation in games that matter. Maybe go to 9-10 this year? Even if so, that leaves 4-5 guys that won’t really get any PT. ? Who starts? Who are the first ones off the bench at lead guard, off the ball, and upfront? Which ones redshirt and which ones don’t, but mostly just sit and cheerlead?
I think this is a year he goes 9 which he has done before with deeper teams. My personal qualifier for this is about 250-300 minutes as that means a player is realistically getting in there in every game for a real amount of time.
My guesses…
Rotation (kind of in positional order): Harris, Remy, Yesufu, CB, Ochai, Jalen, Dave
Possibly rotation: Cam, Zach, Pettiford, JCL
Should RS: Cuffe, KJ
Super Cheerleader/Banjo player to keep the crowd entertained in blow outs: Mitch
A few caveats: Sounds like Bill already loves KJ (who is an absolute BRICK MASON but athletic, so we really can’t say Bill doesn’t have a type…) so maybe he sneaks up the list. I think one of Zach and Cam sees real PT and that it will probably be dictated by defense. Both are elite shooters. I personally love Pettiford’s talent and hope he will win out but I think Harris is more likely to be in the rotation for sure, especially early on. If we count Jalen as a big then we are talking about 5 guys already firmly in the guard/wing rotation. Kinda hard to get to 6.
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The top 7 is still not an athletic bunch. JCL fills a big off the bench microwave scorer type.
The backup 4 is interesting because its either a guard or a freshman. Braun at the 4 is an interesting thought unless his aggresiveness goes way up… Those two freshman have different skill sets. So intriguing to see.
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I am glad that I was once again wrong. Good to see Agbaji back in the fold.
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@BeddieKU23 said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:
The top 7 is still not an athletic bunch. JCL fills a big off the bench microwave scorer type.
The backup 4 is interesting because its either a guard or a freshman. Braun at the 4 is an interesting thought unless his aggresiveness goes way up… Those two freshman have different skill sets. So intriguing to see.
Yeah if Jalen was remotely athletic he’d be in the league already tbh. Hard to have an athletic team when you will play Remy, Jalen and Dave big minutes but all of them are great college players.
I do really like Pettiford, Cuffe, Dick and Zuby. All very athletic guys and aside from Cuffe pretty skilled too. I think Cuffe can get there, hope it’s at KU.
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@Marco said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:
I am glad that I was once again wrong. Good to see Agbaji back in the fold.
I’m right there with you buddy. I just thought for sure he was gone. I will still maintain though don’t really think will will see a lot more from him. I just think he has about hit his ceiling , which don’t get me wrong I’m ok with as a College player. Yet for him to come back and people thinking possibly we will see a much improved - ehh - maybe not some improved ya - -much improved Na. - I think we are seeing hat we are going to get. At the College level that’s fine with me
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@jayballer67 I’m with you there.
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I think Agbaji’s return seals Carr to Texas.- - holy crap they are going to be loaded. - -some saying top 3 in the Nation - -how to differ with that
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Well this is great news. I’m happy to have Ochai back.
I don’t envy Self having to divide up the minutes to all these players, but it’s a good problem to have, and honestly probably what Self was going for after last season. Just need a Remy now.
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@BeddieKU23 said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:
The top 7 is still not an athletic bunch. JCL fills a big off the bench microwave scorer type.
The backup 4 is interesting because its either a guard or a freshman. Braun at the 4 is an interesting thought unless his aggresiveness goes way up… Those two freshman have different skill sets. So intriguing to see.
Self didn’t do much to address the athleticism of the team, but this is a team that will put up a lot of points which was the biggest issue last season. This is a team that will be able to flat out score the basketball and is constructed to maximize the 4 out look.
The main rotation could also very easily end up without any of the freshmen in it. I think Cuffe is a near lock to redshirt and I wouldn’t be shocked if KJ redshirts as well.
I also think this will be a rare season where we Self go with a 9 man rotation because the talent level dictates that. Remy Martin, Yesufu/JCL, Agbaji, Wilson, McCormack is the likely starting line up. Yesufu/JCL and Braun will for sure be seeing big minutes off the bench. Cam Martin makes the most sense as McCormack’s primary back up. Clemence and Lightfoot possibly get situational minutes behind McCormack based on match ups. Dejuan Harris is likely in mix as Remy and Yesufu’s main back up, but is the most likely to be squeezed of Self sticks with his more normal 8 man rotation. The biggest reason I think Harris plays quite a bit though is his defense as he is by far KU’s best on ball defender next season.
I agree the back up 4 is the biggest question mark right now and if that’s the biggest issue with roster composition, that’s a great place to be. I do think Zach Clemence and KJ Adams will be given every chance to earn that spot and I’m hoping Clemence wins that role because he is a natural fit as a stretch 4 that can shoot over defenses. If Clemence and Adams aren’t ready, I do believe it’ll be a combination of Agbaji and Braun filling those minutes behind Wilson at the 4 spot.
This is definitely one of the deepest rosters on paper Self has ever had and I’m excited to see how the rotation shakes out.
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Marcus Bagley withdrawing from the draft and returning to college. He’s going to make some team very happy.
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@KirkIsMyHinrich said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:
Marcus Bagley withdrawing from the draft and returning to college. He’s going to make some team very happy.
Would prefer him over some guys we have but not happening obvs.
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@KirkIsMyHinrich said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:
Marcus Bagley withdrawing from the draft and returning to college. He’s going to make some team very happy.
His own apparently! Hurley needed a win.
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Agree the roster is stacked. Hopefully all the pieces fit. Going to be 3-4 good players feeling the squeeze this season as you noted, Self probably has to go with 9 in the rotation and really with this deep of a team he can afford to do so to keep guys fresh and healthy. There should be adequate depth at every position.
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@BeddieKU23 an interchangeable lineup too. I’m glad that Mitch came back for cheerleading bench and locker room purposes if nothing else, but I don’t see him getting alot of playing time.
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@Marco i think mitch will get more minutes than we expect at the 5.
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@approxinfinity said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:
@Marco i think mitch will get more minutes than we expect at the 5.
I agree Coach likes the things Mitch brings to the floor. The # 1 thing ? - - - - Hustle - willing to get dirty , willing to take that charge , Shot blocker I’ll never get over that he blocks as many as HE DOES block , never ever looked at him in that perspective. – He blocks more then I would of imagined. - Not alot , not saying that but his ability to rcover after getting beat on D is crazy blocking the shot from behind and blocking some for others.
Mitch has no problem doing the dirty work – Mitch doesn’t need the lime light , glamour -that’s the difference between him and some of the others as to where they think where they are more concerned just trying to score. Mitch isn’t that guy. Mitch is a guy that does or at least tries to do what the team needs - -the little dirty things. I’d take me a Mitch any day of the week. Teams needs guys like that , believe it or not plays a vital piece on a team in his own way. -That’s why Coach has no problem putting him on the floor. Coach loves these types of guys who is willing to sacrafice - Mitch will get his minutes probably round 10 minutes I think.
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@jayballer67 yep. I agree. I think big games, maybe not so much, but 8-10 mpg isnt a bad guess average over the season.
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Hoping for 0, personally.
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@BShark said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:
Hoping for 0, personally.
Mitch will play some. There will be some match ups where Mitch is the better play as Dave’s back up over Cam. I do agree in general that Mitch probably shouldn’t be a rotation level player this year, but if it happens, at least this team won’t be offensively challenged like last season.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 it seems like Mitch is a better rotation player than Cam for Selfs system, given his history with the team, and better, albeit not great, defense. We all agree Cams D is likely going to be bad. The only way Cam is a rotation player is if he is a 4 or Self greenlights the 5 bombing and is ok with a gaping hole for interior D.
So whats more likely… That ^… Or Mitch playing rotation minutes?
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@approxinfinity said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:
@Texas-Hawk-10 it seems like Mitch is a better rotation player than Cam for Selfs system, given his history with the team, and better, albeit not great, defense. We all agree Cams D is likely going to be bad. The only way Cam is a rotation player is if he is a 4 or Self greenlights the 5 bombing and is ok with a gaping hole for interior D.
So whats more likely… That ^… Or Mitch playing rotation minutes?
Cam is not exclusively a 3 point shooter and is very good at scoring close to basket. That gives him more value than Mitch on offense. Cam is also the best rebounder on this team which is something KU struggled with last season getting killed on the glass. Cam helps big time in that area as well.
This is why I think Cam gets most of the rotation minutes at the back up 5 spot.
