The portal.
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Will there be more opportunity to showcase, NIL money, and growth opportunity for Passmore at Maryland than at KU this year?
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@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
Will there be more opportunity to showcase, NIL money, and growth opportunity for Passmore at Maryland than at KU this year?
Meh, doesn’t matter really. Self clearly cleaned house to part ways with whatever bad vibes remained. Can’t wait to read about last season in somebody’s book in 20 years.
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@rockchalkjayhawk Pretty sure Passmore instigated the break up.
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@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
@rockchalkjayhawk Pretty sure Passmore instigated the break up.
Either way too bad. I liked his athleticism. He looked very much like a multi-year player. He hadn’t showed us any game yet. It’s not easy being a fan these days. Hard to root for greedy f**ks with no loyalty to the program.
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@rockchalkjayhawk eh. That seems a tad harsh, but ok. I am disappointed he left as well.
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@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
@rockchalkjayhawk eh. That seems a tad harsh, but ok. I am disappointed he left as well.
When i said greedy Fs, that was a broad statement about the state of college hoops, not so much about Passmore specifically.
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@rockchalkjayhawk yeah, i get it. I also think with a different coach and roster construction last year, Passmore would have stuck around.
Count me as one of the optimists that assumes that someone like Jacque Vaughn might retain and develop players better than Bill Self at this stage in their respective careers, with the state of college basketball as it is.
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All in on Jacque!
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Back to the portal…
Anybody hearing a portal name or two we’re focusing on? i’m not seeing anything.
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Dang, still up here on this roof. I shoulda thought this through a little better according to my wife.
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@wissox I’ll bring a case of beer!
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does anyone else feel KU has lost some of it’s edge ?-- Opposing teams not as of in awe, Not finishing in recruiting ?- -
This is one big reason I feel the timing of Norm ad Jacque being an add is a major bonus. New blood was needed , a point about Jacque is one that didn’t play under Coach Self , so might be as apt to be sub servient , might be able to add new ideas , who knows his recruiting may become a plus , little younger and for recruits who don’t know Jacque-- just point to the rafters and say THAT was me here at the University of KU.
Just feel we needed an injection, maybe not done, might be more change in staff- - New Blood— New ideas. Just trying to get by with influencing a recruit saying your representing Ku , isn’t cutting it anymore , times have changed , it’s a whole different ball game now.
Who else thinks that this off Season has to be one of the most discouraging in recent history, This upcoming Season could be a long year, and it very easily could be Bill’ last.
To many misses in the portal, don’t think Coach still hasn’t figured out this whole portal thing - not balance between efficient Scorers/studs – -ga,e changes - & Fit.- - Missing on Sarr-- - - Missing on Williams - - Not being able to get Tyran to re-classify-- -to name three off the top, not even sure how many others we haven’t even heard about that didn’t materialize – Holy heck were not even sure if we could even pull up/add on a umm let’s be nice a very limited back up at the five from OSU to come---- WOW now that’s not good , so yes adding Jacque for sure isn’t hurting the cause
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@SlimShaddy54 It has been frustrating. I think most of our recruiting issues are financial. The AD is below water because it’s just stretched too thin. The football stadium is probably our biggest challenge right now.
I feel certain that we will need structural changes in our basketball program. The extent of it may not be possible while Bill is coach. I’m not positive he is sold on hiring a GM (for example). It sure seems like one of the missing pieces in our program now.
I also feel like we need new blood and likely younger blood in the program. I think we now are seen as an “old school” operation. Duke is a school I despise but I think we would do very well to model many of the needed changes to what Duke is doing.
Can’t make a post like this without complaining about our ability to develop players. The closest example I have to compare us with is Houston.
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@drgnslayr We’ve fallen well behind Houston - they’ve dominated the conference the past two years and it doesn’t look like that will change. Outside of the conference, look at what UF has done this offseason - kept its entire front court - Condon, Hauch, Chinleyu, and Handlogten. Lost Clayton, Martin and Richard, but arguably now has an even stronger backcourt adding Fland, Lee and AJ Brown in the portal. Plus two top 4-5 star incoming freshmen. As of now, its hard to argue that we have a line-up that is even close to that level…
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I wonder if having DP on the roster is scaring off top transfers?
He’s gonna dominate the ball.
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in The portal.:
I wonder if having DP on the roster is scaring off top transfers?
He’s gonna dominate the ball.
Money is more of an issue than anything I believe.
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@TYOHawk money and experience
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For some perspective. If accurate, sure seems a lot less than what’s been tossed around.
TOP 5 NIL SPENDING THIS OFFSEASON
Per College Sports Network
Indiana — $10.1M
USC — $9.9M
Iowa — $9M
Michigan — $8.9M
Kentucky — $8.8M
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I’ve seen that some Donors might have some buyers fatigue after the past couple NIL driven portal cycles. There hasn’t been a great return on investment, just look at the Storr fiasco. Hard to keep getting them to buy-in by giving more and more when the results don’t match the price.
They definitely found some sticker shock this offseason with some of the early portal guys they targeted, and it sounds like they weren’t willing to bite on being the highest bidder in some of those either.
There’s also some risks in play with having Peterson. You can’t pay guys that were looking for 2+ mil and not expect Peterson’s camp to up the price he’s getting as the crown jewel of the team. Peterson and Flory are going to account for 50% or more of the pool of funds.
I think you hit the nail on the head on other contributing factors- GM, Football stadium. The lack of success in Football over the years does have an impact ($ wise), the Big-12 for football took a big nose-dive in reputation losing Texas and OU as well. Vaughn being added to the staff was partly, if not driven by donors wish for changes. There’s potentially more changes still coming.
I also think there’s some negative recruiting going on against KU when it comes to Portal guys (lack of success this past year) and with Self at the end of his career.
It’s really an adapt or die atmosphere right now. They are still adapting it looks
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Yeah DP would scare off PG transfers but we aren’t really going for any and if you are an off ball player you should want to play with him as he will draw a lot of defensive attention.
Can definitely can see our NIL looking a lot healthier once we are a good deal past the football stadium funding drive. Honestly, football doing well indirectly hurts the basketball team too as they are pulling NIL funding from the same sources. I don’t think the impact is that notable though if we hadn’t had 3 seasons in a row of underperformance especially with regards to transfers.
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Also think the big NIL players are looking for that feature role and KU isn’t offering that with Peterson. Guess it’s hard to find Robin’s these days.
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Have we lost @BShark ?
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@mayjay not much has happened in the last 5 days.
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The latest is they are looking at International Players and there’s very little reliable info to provide on a regular basis for them vs US transfer or HS prospects.
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Not political…just a question on procedures. Visas for international college students are held up currently as the State Dept reviews social media (hasn’t said for what). Could that be putting a hold on announcing any recruiting efforts?
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@mayjay said in The portal.:
Not political…just a question on procedures. Visas for international college students are held up currently as the State Dept reviews social media (hasn’t said for what). Could that be putting a hold on announcing any recruiting efforts?
International recruiting just can’t be working well in this climate. I’d focus more on US players so not to complicate matters. Can’t be easy.
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in The portal.:
@mayjay said in The portal.:
Not political…just a question on procedures. Visas for international college students are held up currently as the State Dept reviews social media (hasn’t said for what). Could that be putting a hold on announcing any recruiting efforts?
International recruiting just can’t be working well in this climate. I’d focus more on US players so not to complicate matters. Can’t be easy.
There aren’t really any other good options left among HS or portal players unless someone unexpectedly withdraws from the draft at this point that hasn’t already said where they’re playing next season.
The international market is all that’s left to find another impact player.
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Can we get 2 more decent role players? We have 4 open schollies is it? Shouldnt we be waiting on 2 guys instead of 4 at this point, even if they may be impact guys?
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Imagine reading these posts 10 years ago. College sports just feels dead to me.
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@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
Can we get 2 more decent role players? We have 4 open schollies is it? Shouldnt we be waiting on 2 guys instead of 4 at this point, even if they may be impact guys?
Three more to go. 11 onboard so far. 14 total with the penalty this season.
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in The portal.:
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
Can we get 2 more decent role players? We have 4 open schollies is it? Shouldnt we be waiting on 2 guys instead of 4 at this point, even if they may be impact guys?
Three more to go. 11 onboard so far. 14 total with the penalty this season.
But, that two way football player is part of the roster? Confuses me.
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in The portal.:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in The portal.:
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
Can we get 2 more decent role players? We have 4 open schollies is it? Shouldnt we be waiting on 2 guys instead of 4 at this point, even if they may be impact guys?
Three more to go. 11 onboard so far. 14 total with the penalty this season.
But, that two way football player is part of the roster? Confuses me.
15 player rosters, can divide scholarships up however. Nickens counts towards the roster limit, but KU basketball isn’t spending scholarship on him since his scholarship is from football.
Essentially, you can still have non-scholarship players, they just still count towards the 15 player roster limit.
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Its sounding like a top level wing is the priority, doesn’t sound like a big after that could be affordable. From there cheapest practice player they can find. Not a promising update tbh
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Seeing an influx of international kids committing to schools, doesn’t seem to be much of a deterence that I’ve seen
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Read the story in there about Haggerty’s dad, too.
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RJ staying in.
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Don’t be surprised if we don’t make a run at RJ-- -nice fit with DP-- KU is also targeting three European players from abroad, we still going to when it’s said and done land a couple
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RJ, staying in the draft
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KU passed on Luis
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@BeddieKU23 Stayed in the draft anyways ana a really bad move for Ku to pass on this kid, partially why we are in the position we are in now
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From what I’ve read, there was some red flags with him that made them pass a while back. We have to assume for good reason.
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@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
KU passed on Luis
Far from the only school. His options were pretty limited. He likely will not be drafted.
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@BeddieKU23 hmmmm.- - - Well one thing I’m starting to see is I think it is becoming apparent that soon , very soon there is going to be a changing of the guard.
We knew we needed change-- -new blood , and with now two departures in the staff I think all this does is solidify the fact that more likely then no this will be Coach Self’s last year, I think he hangs it up after this Season , old staff knows this and are already making their moves.
I think that this could be a good thing and a bad thing possibly. Yes , for sure we need change , maybe the game is passing Coach Self and his stubbornness is not willing to make the changes that’s needed. There is SO MUCH that goes into College Coaching, being on the on the road so much recruiting can be very wearing and stressful try to figure out what these 17 , 18 , 19 yr olds are going to do from one day to the next.-- -Then you got this dam NIL— - -you got the portal-- -plus you have to worry about revenue sharing -you have to keep up on rules and constantly new changes to these rules. All this can be vey stressful and wear on a guy.— Thusly enter Jacques, truly believe they have brought him in for the ne Coaching position.- -Now you changing personnel in staff.-- All these things can be good things.
The bad thing ? - How will this change in our recruiting ?-- If a Coaching change does happen then do we remain in the thick of things for Tryan ? -or does that cause him to cool off, because currently sure looks like KU— -Louisville— & Kentucky . How would this effect our position on other recruits where I’m seeing we are right there currently in recruitment. Will that cause them to back of?- -Could be possible be things
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The chicken little stuff right now is crazy. We won the title 3 years ago. Year after 1 seed barely lost a close game when self was out. Last two years have been disappointing but still a decent team. Problem was Hunter kj and Harris didn’t mesh. Staff missed on transfers last year. It is what it is. How many schools have up a down years year after year. Just crazy lol
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@jayhawks2010 People are displacing the panic they should be having about world events onto sports. Not just here–fanbases everywere seem more irrational than normal!
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@mayjay turbulent times. I won’t bring politics into this thread otherwise I’d have a ton more to say
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@mayjay said in The portal.:
Have we lost @BShark ?
I had a rough personal stretch, I’ll post something about it behind the wall if people are interested
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One to monitor
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Sold!
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Agreed.
