The portal.
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@DCHawker said in The portal.:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in The portal.:
@DCHawker said in The portal.:
@rockchalkjayhawk Who are the available gems???
I’m sure somebody in here would fit the bill.
https://247sports.com/season/2025-basketball/transferportaltop/?status=available
Uh - only 5 of the top 150 are uncommitted - Luis, Watkins, and Claude, all of whom would be expensive and who have issues, and two former Jayhawks. Unless there is someone hanging out overseas, we simply don’t have a starting caliber roster right now… DP, Flory, White, Council and Dawson/Jackson? I expect those guys can defend the perimeter and switches, but no length and size. No depth. When Flory gets in foul trouble, which he will, what then? Tiller? Is White really a 4? Who subs at that slot?
As I noted earlier in this thread, while almost everyone else was locking up a starting roster early, we were putting all our eggs in a small, post-tryout basket…
yea, no argument from me. Just hoping Self has a plan.
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@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
I like the 3 guys we got but I don’t see any of them being DP’s #2 and that’s what we are missing to really compete next year. Williams is a potential All-American candidate next year, Sarr has an extremely high ceiling and is a draft prospect. You’re almost assuredly getting a less talented player with what’s left which is a hard pill to swallow.
I’m not going to say we can’t find someone of that caliber, but the pool is very shallow for options now. The 3 transfers are not really NBA prospects and I’m not sure what else is out there that has that kind of ceiling. I know they are looking at the international pool of players and perhaps that’s the avenue they need to push on now that they missed on their top 2 targets.
There are some issues behind the scenes that seem to have hit full circle this offseason.
OH I think those issues you were referring to cost us more then people even know , I think we have lost some of the luster , were not that bright new penny anymore.
It’s prety much you have the NIL money to toss around then it’s ll gravy----if not you best find some , and find some soon. It’s just a meat market and one huge bidding war. Plus like w said I think the internal issues have come and kicked us right square in the you know what
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I’m thinking we need to go after endowment contributors to invest in NIL. Does this make sense? NIL is still relatively new… but I’m thinking KU alumni are happy to divide their endowment contributions to split into education and sports.
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And who do we have building NIL private deals? Another part of the job of a GM?
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Maybe Self could host dinners for crypto purchasers.
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Heard today that Self is meeting some resistance, combination of things-- like we just don’t have that much money left----Williams and /Sar both were in the three Millon plus rang, just flat got outbid by Wade and /NC State, w were running 300- - -500 thousand short on these.
Hear trying to hit out same donors running into losing fatigue, kinda like look you came last yr for Griffen and Storr and didn’t produce.-- Now your going to have to pay for your mistakes by winning more and us paying less, – RERSULTS boys and girls these big time donors are wanting to see results for all the money they are investing.-- - Then you got the timing of these donors being hit up for donations for the foot ball Stadium , just bad timing. A lot to is the School has lost some it’s luster that it use to have, were in a hard spot right no
STILL needing like three players a back up big, and at least a legit wing
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Adidas flagship institution huh? Pony up big boys. Nike doesn’t seem to have a cash flow issue when it comes to directing recruits.
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@dylans said in The portal.:
Adidas flagship institution huh? Pony up big boys. Nike doesn’t seem to have a cash flow issue when it comes to directing recruits.
NC State is also Adidas.
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@SlimShaddy54 said in The portal.:
Heard today that Self is meeting some resistance, combination of things-- like we just don’t have that much money left----Williams and /Sar both were in the three Millon plus rang, just flat got outbid by Wade and /NC State, w were running 300- - -500 thousand short on these.
Hear trying to hit out same donors running into losing fatigue, kinda like look you came last yr for Griffen and Storr and didn’t produce.-- Now your going to have to pay for your mistakes by winning more and us paying less, – RERSULTS boys and girls these big time donors are wanting to see results for all the money they are investing.-- - Then you got the timing of these donors being hit up for donations for the foot ball Stadium , just bad timing. A lot to is the School has lost some it’s luster that it use to have, were in a hard spot right no
STILL needing like three players a back up big, and at least a legit wing
Self has no one to blame but himself.
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@TYOHawk He didn’t treat guys the same and try to elevate the entire team. Valued crappy players with major holes.
The game now is how you handle transfers and the sign of a great coach is they come to your program and take a step forward. In our case, the two biggest ones last year went quite a bit backward and players see this stuff and talk at summer camps, nba combine ect
Self begging for mone…they will push him out much like donors have done at other schools.
He wrote checks with his mouth these last two seasons that he couldn’t cash.
What’s worse is he had jr/sr/5th yr guys these last two years and we still have only gotten out of the rd of 32 once since 2018. So the whole “he can only succeed with 3-4 year guys” was a complete farce with the unstoppable big 3 he rolled out there
Staff doesn’t guard the three or have a clue and Bill just shakes his head but doesn’t make adjustments (ie Hunter hedging for 24 straight months unsuccessfully or D2 being the guy to always have the ball in his hands).
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Those who blame Self may think themselves optimists and agents of change, especially with Vaughn in the wings.
Maybe prosperity is just around the corner.
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Passmore ended up at Maryland
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Will there be more opportunity to showcase, NIL money, and growth opportunity for Passmore at Maryland than at KU this year?
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@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
Will there be more opportunity to showcase, NIL money, and growth opportunity for Passmore at Maryland than at KU this year?
Meh, doesn’t matter really. Self clearly cleaned house to part ways with whatever bad vibes remained. Can’t wait to read about last season in somebody’s book in 20 years.
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@rockchalkjayhawk Pretty sure Passmore instigated the break up.
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@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
@rockchalkjayhawk Pretty sure Passmore instigated the break up.
Either way too bad. I liked his athleticism. He looked very much like a multi-year player. He hadn’t showed us any game yet. It’s not easy being a fan these days. Hard to root for greedy f**ks with no loyalty to the program.
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@rockchalkjayhawk eh. That seems a tad harsh, but ok. I am disappointed he left as well.
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@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
@rockchalkjayhawk eh. That seems a tad harsh, but ok. I am disappointed he left as well.
When i said greedy Fs, that was a broad statement about the state of college hoops, not so much about Passmore specifically.
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@rockchalkjayhawk yeah, i get it. I also think with a different coach and roster construction last year, Passmore would have stuck around.
Count me as one of the optimists that assumes that someone like Jacque Vaughn might retain and develop players better than Bill Self at this stage in their respective careers, with the state of college basketball as it is.
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All in on Jacque!
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Back to the portal…
Anybody hearing a portal name or two we’re focusing on? i’m not seeing anything.
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Dang, still up here on this roof. I shoulda thought this through a little better according to my wife.
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@wissox I’ll bring a case of beer!
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does anyone else feel KU has lost some of it’s edge ?-- Opposing teams not as of in awe, Not finishing in recruiting ?- -
This is one big reason I feel the timing of Norm ad Jacque being an add is a major bonus. New blood was needed , a point about Jacque is one that didn’t play under Coach Self , so might be as apt to be sub servient , might be able to add new ideas , who knows his recruiting may become a plus , little younger and for recruits who don’t know Jacque-- just point to the rafters and say THAT was me here at the University of KU.
Just feel we needed an injection, maybe not done, might be more change in staff- - New Blood— New ideas. Just trying to get by with influencing a recruit saying your representing Ku , isn’t cutting it anymore , times have changed , it’s a whole different ball game now.
Who else thinks that this off Season has to be one of the most discouraging in recent history, This upcoming Season could be a long year, and it very easily could be Bill’ last.
To many misses in the portal, don’t think Coach still hasn’t figured out this whole portal thing - not balance between efficient Scorers/studs – -ga,e changes - & Fit.- - Missing on Sarr-- - - Missing on Williams - - Not being able to get Tyran to re-classify-- -to name three off the top, not even sure how many others we haven’t even heard about that didn’t materialize – Holy heck were not even sure if we could even pull up/add on a umm let’s be nice a very limited back up at the five from OSU to come---- WOW now that’s not good , so yes adding Jacque for sure isn’t hurting the cause
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@SlimShaddy54 It has been frustrating. I think most of our recruiting issues are financial. The AD is below water because it’s just stretched too thin. The football stadium is probably our biggest challenge right now.
I feel certain that we will need structural changes in our basketball program. The extent of it may not be possible while Bill is coach. I’m not positive he is sold on hiring a GM (for example). It sure seems like one of the missing pieces in our program now.
I also feel like we need new blood and likely younger blood in the program. I think we now are seen as an “old school” operation. Duke is a school I despise but I think we would do very well to model many of the needed changes to what Duke is doing.
Can’t make a post like this without complaining about our ability to develop players. The closest example I have to compare us with is Houston.
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@drgnslayr We’ve fallen well behind Houston - they’ve dominated the conference the past two years and it doesn’t look like that will change. Outside of the conference, look at what UF has done this offseason - kept its entire front court - Condon, Hauch, Chinleyu, and Handlogten. Lost Clayton, Martin and Richard, but arguably now has an even stronger backcourt adding Fland, Lee and AJ Brown in the portal. Plus two top 4-5 star incoming freshmen. As of now, its hard to argue that we have a line-up that is even close to that level…
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I wonder if having DP on the roster is scaring off top transfers?
He’s gonna dominate the ball.
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in The portal.:
I wonder if having DP on the roster is scaring off top transfers?
He’s gonna dominate the ball.
Money is more of an issue than anything I believe.
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@TYOHawk money and experience
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For some perspective. If accurate, sure seems a lot less than what’s been tossed around.
TOP 5 NIL SPENDING THIS OFFSEASON
Per College Sports Network
Indiana — $10.1M
USC — $9.9M
Iowa — $9M
Michigan — $8.9M
Kentucky — $8.8M
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I’ve seen that some Donors might have some buyers fatigue after the past couple NIL driven portal cycles. There hasn’t been a great return on investment, just look at the Storr fiasco. Hard to keep getting them to buy-in by giving more and more when the results don’t match the price.
They definitely found some sticker shock this offseason with some of the early portal guys they targeted, and it sounds like they weren’t willing to bite on being the highest bidder in some of those either.
There’s also some risks in play with having Peterson. You can’t pay guys that were looking for 2+ mil and not expect Peterson’s camp to up the price he’s getting as the crown jewel of the team. Peterson and Flory are going to account for 50% or more of the pool of funds.
I think you hit the nail on the head on other contributing factors- GM, Football stadium. The lack of success in Football over the years does have an impact ($ wise), the Big-12 for football took a big nose-dive in reputation losing Texas and OU as well. Vaughn being added to the staff was partly, if not driven by donors wish for changes. There’s potentially more changes still coming.
I also think there’s some negative recruiting going on against KU when it comes to Portal guys (lack of success this past year) and with Self at the end of his career.
It’s really an adapt or die atmosphere right now. They are still adapting it looks
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Yeah DP would scare off PG transfers but we aren’t really going for any and if you are an off ball player you should want to play with him as he will draw a lot of defensive attention.
Can definitely can see our NIL looking a lot healthier once we are a good deal past the football stadium funding drive. Honestly, football doing well indirectly hurts the basketball team too as they are pulling NIL funding from the same sources. I don’t think the impact is that notable though if we hadn’t had 3 seasons in a row of underperformance especially with regards to transfers.
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Also think the big NIL players are looking for that feature role and KU isn’t offering that with Peterson. Guess it’s hard to find Robin’s these days.
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Have we lost @BShark ?
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@mayjay not much has happened in the last 5 days.
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The latest is they are looking at International Players and there’s very little reliable info to provide on a regular basis for them vs US transfer or HS prospects.
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Not political…just a question on procedures. Visas for international college students are held up currently as the State Dept reviews social media (hasn’t said for what). Could that be putting a hold on announcing any recruiting efforts?
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@mayjay said in The portal.:
Not political…just a question on procedures. Visas for international college students are held up currently as the State Dept reviews social media (hasn’t said for what). Could that be putting a hold on announcing any recruiting efforts?
International recruiting just can’t be working well in this climate. I’d focus more on US players so not to complicate matters. Can’t be easy.
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in The portal.:
@mayjay said in The portal.:
Not political…just a question on procedures. Visas for international college students are held up currently as the State Dept reviews social media (hasn’t said for what). Could that be putting a hold on announcing any recruiting efforts?
International recruiting just can’t be working well in this climate. I’d focus more on US players so not to complicate matters. Can’t be easy.
There aren’t really any other good options left among HS or portal players unless someone unexpectedly withdraws from the draft at this point that hasn’t already said where they’re playing next season.
The international market is all that’s left to find another impact player.
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Can we get 2 more decent role players? We have 4 open schollies is it? Shouldnt we be waiting on 2 guys instead of 4 at this point, even if they may be impact guys?
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Imagine reading these posts 10 years ago. College sports just feels dead to me.
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@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
Can we get 2 more decent role players? We have 4 open schollies is it? Shouldnt we be waiting on 2 guys instead of 4 at this point, even if they may be impact guys?
Three more to go. 11 onboard so far. 14 total with the penalty this season.
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in The portal.:
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
Can we get 2 more decent role players? We have 4 open schollies is it? Shouldnt we be waiting on 2 guys instead of 4 at this point, even if they may be impact guys?
Three more to go. 11 onboard so far. 14 total with the penalty this season.
But, that two way football player is part of the roster? Confuses me.
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in The portal.:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in The portal.:
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
Can we get 2 more decent role players? We have 4 open schollies is it? Shouldnt we be waiting on 2 guys instead of 4 at this point, even if they may be impact guys?
Three more to go. 11 onboard so far. 14 total with the penalty this season.
But, that two way football player is part of the roster? Confuses me.
15 player rosters, can divide scholarships up however. Nickens counts towards the roster limit, but KU basketball isn’t spending scholarship on him since his scholarship is from football.
Essentially, you can still have non-scholarship players, they just still count towards the 15 player roster limit.
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Its sounding like a top level wing is the priority, doesn’t sound like a big after that could be affordable. From there cheapest practice player they can find. Not a promising update tbh
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Seeing an influx of international kids committing to schools, doesn’t seem to be much of a deterence that I’ve seen
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Read the story in there about Haggerty’s dad, too.
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RJ staying in.
