The portal.
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This is kind of depressing, but it is just sports. I mean weather. I mean both, sports and weather depressing at the same time is too much.
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@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Starting to look like we have a reality hitting thatâs uncomfortable
I mean, we signed three guys right out of the gate. That was positive. They seem like good contributors, but maybe not superstars. Who knows how much KU spent. DP and Flory I assume were high dollar.
We donât really know how Self views them. Starters? Bench guys?
Think about some of the teams we lost to last season. Probably not rosters of well known names with big NIL salaries.
My point? Not really worried. Gems still available.
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Web writing gets sadder by the dayâŚ
Darrion Williams, a former star for the Texas Tech Red Raiders, had reportedly narrowed down the search for his next program to the Kansas State Jayhawks and the NC State Wolfpack. Apparently, Selfâs sales pitch wasnât good enough to bring Williams to Lawrence.
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@rockchalkjayhawk well, I wouldnât want to play for them either
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@rockchalkjayhawk Who are the available gems???
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All 3 transfers are in line to start.
Flory and DP take up a significant portion of NIL.
We clearly are not a top dog NIL team this year. Proofâs in the pudding with Sarr and Williams among others.
We are short a starter, a backup big at minimum.
IMO this offseason has been frustrating and disappointing.
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@DCHawker said in The portal.:
@rockchalkjayhawk Who are the available gems???
Iâm sure somebody in here would fit the bill.
https://247sports.com/season/2025-basketball/transferportaltop/?status=available
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Word on the street is that we are pining for a couple of Croatians.
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@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
All 3 transfers are in line to start.
Flory and DP take up a significant portion of NIL.
We clearly are not a top dog NIL team this year. Proofâs in the pudding with Sarr and Williams among others.
We are short a starter, a backup big at minimum.
IMO this offseason has been frustrating and disappointing.
Yea, sure feels that way. But, we still signed the No. 1-ish recruit, and resigned Flory. I guess my hope is that with a thousand guys still in the portal, somebody should be a fit.
The opposing theory is that Kansas is losing its luster. Thatâs hard to stomach after decades of success.
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I like the 3 guys we got but I donât see any of them being DPâs #2 and thatâs what we are missing to really compete next year. Williams is a potential All-American candidate next year, Sarr has an extremely high ceiling and is a draft prospect. Youâre almost assuredly getting a less talented player with whatâs left which is a hard pill to swallow.
Iâm not going to say we canât find someone of that caliber, but the pool is very shallow for options now. The 3 transfers are not really NBA prospects and Iâm not sure what else is out there that has that kind of ceiling. I know they are looking at the international pool of players and perhaps thatâs the avenue they need to push on now that they missed on their top 2 targets.
There are some issues behind the scenes that seem to have hit full circle this offseason.
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in The portal.:
@DCHawker said in The portal.:
@rockchalkjayhawk Who are the available gems???
Iâm sure somebody in here would fit the bill.
https://247sports.com/season/2025-basketball/transferportaltop/?status=available
Uh - only 5 of the top 150 are uncommitted - Luis, Watkins, and Claude, all of whom would be expensive and have issues, and two former Jayhawks. Unless there is someone hanging out overseas, we simply donât have a starting caliber roster right now⌠DP, Flory, White, Council and Dawson/Jackson? I expect those guys can defend the perimeter and switches, but no length and size. No depth. When Flory gets in foul trouble, which he will, what then? Tiller? Is White really a 4? Who subs at that slot?
As I noted earlier in this thread, while almost everyone else was locking up a starting roster early, we were putting all our eggs in a small, post-tryout basketâŚ
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@rockchalkjayhawk i think its a lot of things, no binary answer. I would be good with fielding a solid but not spectacular roster with a couple stars. We have had success in the past with lean rosters.
What i dont want is for us to grab guys expected to contribute that repeatedly fall on their face despite getting minutes. So picking prudently for additional role players is still of paramount importance.
Work ethic. Work ethic. Work ethic.
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@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
@rockchalkjayhawk i think its a lot of things, no binary answer. I would be good with fielding a solid but not spectacular roster with a couple stars. We have had success in the past with lean rosters.
What i dont want is for us to grab guys expected to contribute that repeatedly fall on their face despite getting minutes. So picking prudently for additional role players is still of paramount importance.
Work ethic. Work ethic. Work ethic.
Thatâs kinda the thing, right? Is Self piecing together a roster of maybe lesser-named players, but players he thinks will fit better and make KU a better team than last year? He didnât hit it out of the park with the bigger names we had last year.
100% agree we still need multiple players to make this roster work. So until we see the complete roster, iâm just doing my best to keep my head above the fray.
Who knows, maybe heâs got a grand plan weâre not seeing
ha
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@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
There are some issues behind the scenes that seem to have hit full circle this offseason.
i was hoping with the massive roster purge that we could put the âissues behind the scenesâ actually behind us this offseason. Maybe not yet? what now??
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@DCHawker said in The portal.:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in The portal.:
@DCHawker said in The portal.:
@rockchalkjayhawk Who are the available gems???
Iâm sure somebody in here would fit the bill.
https://247sports.com/season/2025-basketball/transferportaltop/?status=available
Uh - only 5 of the top 150 are uncommitted - Luis, Watkins, and Claude, all of whom would be expensive and who have issues, and two former Jayhawks. Unless there is someone hanging out overseas, we simply donât have a starting caliber roster right now⌠DP, Flory, White, Council and Dawson/Jackson? I expect those guys can defend the perimeter and switches, but no length and size. No depth. When Flory gets in foul trouble, which he will, what then? Tiller? Is White really a 4? Who subs at that slot?
As I noted earlier in this thread, while almost everyone else was locking up a starting roster early, we were putting all our eggs in a small, post-tryout basketâŚ
yea, no argument from me. Just hoping Self has a plan.
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@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
I like the 3 guys we got but I donât see any of them being DPâs #2 and thatâs what we are missing to really compete next year. Williams is a potential All-American candidate next year, Sarr has an extremely high ceiling and is a draft prospect. Youâre almost assuredly getting a less talented player with whatâs left which is a hard pill to swallow.
Iâm not going to say we canât find someone of that caliber, but the pool is very shallow for options now. The 3 transfers are not really NBA prospects and Iâm not sure what else is out there that has that kind of ceiling. I know they are looking at the international pool of players and perhaps thatâs the avenue they need to push on now that they missed on their top 2 targets.
There are some issues behind the scenes that seem to have hit full circle this offseason.
OH I think those issues you were referring to cost us more then people even know , I think we have lost some of the luster , were not that bright new penny anymore.
Itâs prety much you have the NIL money to toss around then itâs ll gravy----if not you best find some , and find some soon. Itâs just a meat market and one huge bidding war. Plus like w said I think the internal issues have come and kicked us right square in the you know what
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Iâm thinking we need to go after endowment contributors to invest in NIL. Does this make sense? NIL is still relatively new⌠but Iâm thinking KU alumni are happy to divide their endowment contributions to split into education and sports.
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And who do we have building NIL private deals? Another part of the job of a GM?
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Maybe Self could host dinners for crypto purchasers.
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Heard today that Self is meeting some resistance, combination of things-- like we just donât have that much money left----Williams and /Sar both were in the three Millon plus rang, just flat got outbid by Wade and /NC State, w were running 300- - -500 thousand short on these.
Hear trying to hit out same donors running into losing fatigue, kinda like look you came last yr for Griffen and Storr and didnât produce.-- Now your going to have to pay for your mistakes by winning more and us paying less, â RERSULTS boys and girls these big time donors are wanting to see results for all the money they are investing.-- - Then you got the timing of these donors being hit up for donations for the foot ball Stadium , just bad timing. A lot to is the School has lost some itâs luster that it use to have, were in a hard spot right no
STILL needing like three players a back up big, and at least a legit wing
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Adidas flagship institution huh? Pony up big boys. Nike doesnât seem to have a cash flow issue when it comes to directing recruits.
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@dylans said in The portal.:
Adidas flagship institution huh? Pony up big boys. Nike doesnât seem to have a cash flow issue when it comes to directing recruits.
NC State is also Adidas.
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@SlimShaddy54 said in The portal.:
Heard today that Self is meeting some resistance, combination of things-- like we just donât have that much money left----Williams and /Sar both were in the three Millon plus rang, just flat got outbid by Wade and /NC State, w were running 300- - -500 thousand short on these.
Hear trying to hit out same donors running into losing fatigue, kinda like look you came last yr for Griffen and Storr and didnât produce.-- Now your going to have to pay for your mistakes by winning more and us paying less, â RERSULTS boys and girls these big time donors are wanting to see results for all the money they are investing.-- - Then you got the timing of these donors being hit up for donations for the foot ball Stadium , just bad timing. A lot to is the School has lost some itâs luster that it use to have, were in a hard spot right no
STILL needing like three players a back up big, and at least a legit wing
Self has no one to blame but himself.
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@TYOHawk He didnât treat guys the same and try to elevate the entire team. Valued crappy players with major holes.
The game now is how you handle transfers and the sign of a great coach is they come to your program and take a step forward. In our case, the two biggest ones last year went quite a bit backward and players see this stuff and talk at summer camps, nba combine ect
Self begging for moneâŚthey will push him out much like donors have done at other schools.
He wrote checks with his mouth these last two seasons that he couldnât cash.
Whatâs worse is he had jr/sr/5th yr guys these last two years and we still have only gotten out of the rd of 32 once since 2018. So the whole âhe can only succeed with 3-4 year guysâ was a complete farce with the unstoppable big 3 he rolled out there
Staff doesnât guard the three or have a clue and Bill just shakes his head but doesnât make adjustments (ie Hunter hedging for 24 straight months unsuccessfully or D2 being the guy to always have the ball in his hands).
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Those who blame Self may think themselves optimists and agents of change, especially with Vaughn in the wings.
Maybe prosperity is just around the corner.
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Passmore ended up at Maryland
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Will there be more opportunity to showcase, NIL money, and growth opportunity for Passmore at Maryland than at KU this year?
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@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
Will there be more opportunity to showcase, NIL money, and growth opportunity for Passmore at Maryland than at KU this year?
Meh, doesnât matter really. Self clearly cleaned house to part ways with whatever bad vibes remained. Canât wait to read about last season in somebodyâs book in 20 years.
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@rockchalkjayhawk Pretty sure Passmore instigated the break up.
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@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
@rockchalkjayhawk Pretty sure Passmore instigated the break up.
Either way too bad. I liked his athleticism. He looked very much like a multi-year player. He hadnât showed us any game yet. Itâs not easy being a fan these days. Hard to root for greedy f**ks with no loyalty to the program.
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@rockchalkjayhawk eh. That seems a tad harsh, but ok. I am disappointed he left as well.
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@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
@rockchalkjayhawk eh. That seems a tad harsh, but ok. I am disappointed he left as well.
When i said greedy Fs, that was a broad statement about the state of college hoops, not so much about Passmore specifically.
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@rockchalkjayhawk yeah, i get it. I also think with a different coach and roster construction last year, Passmore would have stuck around.
Count me as one of the optimists that assumes that someone like Jacque Vaughn might retain and develop players better than Bill Self at this stage in their respective careers, with the state of college basketball as it is.
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All in on Jacque!
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Back to the portalâŚ
Anybody hearing a portal name or two weâre focusing on? iâm not seeing anything.
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Dang, still up here on this roof. I shoulda thought this through a little better according to my wife.
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@wissox Iâll bring a case of beer!
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does anyone else feel KU has lost some of itâs edge ?-- Opposing teams not as of in awe, Not finishing in recruiting ?- -
This is one big reason I feel the timing of Norm ad Jacque being an add is a major bonus. New blood was needed , a point about Jacque is one that didnât play under Coach Self , so might be as apt to be sub servient , might be able to add new ideas , who knows his recruiting may become a plus , little younger and for recruits who donât know Jacque-- just point to the rafters and say THAT was me here at the University of KU.
Just feel we needed an injection, maybe not done, might be more change in staff- - New Bloodâ New ideas. Just trying to get by with influencing a recruit saying your representing Ku , isnât cutting it anymore , times have changed , itâs a whole different ball game now.
Who else thinks that this off Season has to be one of the most discouraging in recent history, This upcoming Season could be a long year, and it very easily could be Billâ last.
To many misses in the portal, donât think Coach still hasnât figured out this whole portal thing - not balance between efficient Scorers/studs â -ga,e changes - & Fit.- - Missing on Sarr-- - - Missing on Williams - - Not being able to get Tyran to re-classify-- -to name three off the top, not even sure how many others we havenât even heard about that didnât materialize â Holy heck were not even sure if we could even pull up/add on a umm letâs be nice a very limited back up at the five from OSU to come---- WOW now thatâs not good , so yes adding Jacque for sure isnât hurting the cause
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@SlimShaddy54 It has been frustrating. I think most of our recruiting issues are financial. The AD is below water because itâs just stretched too thin. The football stadium is probably our biggest challenge right now.
I feel certain that we will need structural changes in our basketball program. The extent of it may not be possible while Bill is coach. Iâm not positive he is sold on hiring a GM (for example). It sure seems like one of the missing pieces in our program now.
I also feel like we need new blood and likely younger blood in the program. I think we now are seen as an âold schoolâ operation. Duke is a school I despise but I think we would do very well to model many of the needed changes to what Duke is doing.
Canât make a post like this without complaining about our ability to develop players. The closest example I have to compare us with is Houston.
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@drgnslayr Weâve fallen well behind Houston - theyâve dominated the conference the past two years and it doesnât look like that will change. Outside of the conference, look at what UF has done this offseason - kept its entire front court - Condon, Hauch, Chinleyu, and Handlogten. Lost Clayton, Martin and Richard, but arguably now has an even stronger backcourt adding Fland, Lee and AJ Brown in the portal. Plus two top 4-5 star incoming freshmen. As of now, its hard to argue that we have a line-up that is even close to that levelâŚ
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I wonder if having DP on the roster is scaring off top transfers?
Heâs gonna dominate the ball.
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in The portal.:
I wonder if having DP on the roster is scaring off top transfers?
Heâs gonna dominate the ball.
Money is more of an issue than anything I believe.
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@TYOHawk money and experience
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For some perspective. If accurate, sure seems a lot less than whatâs been tossed around.
TOP 5 NIL SPENDING THIS OFFSEASON
Per College Sports Network
Indiana â $10.1M
USC â $9.9M
Iowa â $9M
Michigan â $8.9M
Kentucky â $8.8M
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Iâve seen that some Donors might have some buyers fatigue after the past couple NIL driven portal cycles. There hasnât been a great return on investment, just look at the Storr fiasco. Hard to keep getting them to buy-in by giving more and more when the results donât match the price.
They definitely found some sticker shock this offseason with some of the early portal guys they targeted, and it sounds like they werenât willing to bite on being the highest bidder in some of those either.
Thereâs also some risks in play with having Peterson. You canât pay guys that were looking for 2+ mil and not expect Petersonâs camp to up the price heâs getting as the crown jewel of the team. Peterson and Flory are going to account for 50% or more of the pool of funds.
I think you hit the nail on the head on other contributing factors- GM, Football stadium. The lack of success in Football over the years does have an impact ($ wise), the Big-12 for football took a big nose-dive in reputation losing Texas and OU as well. Vaughn being added to the staff was partly, if not driven by donors wish for changes. Thereâs potentially more changes still coming.
I also think thereâs some negative recruiting going on against KU when it comes to Portal guys (lack of success this past year) and with Self at the end of his career.
Itâs really an adapt or die atmosphere right now. They are still adapting it looks
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Yeah DP would scare off PG transfers but we arenât really going for any and if you are an off ball player you should want to play with him as he will draw a lot of defensive attention.
Can definitely can see our NIL looking a lot healthier once we are a good deal past the football stadium funding drive. Honestly, football doing well indirectly hurts the basketball team too as they are pulling NIL funding from the same sources. I donât think the impact is that notable though if we hadnât had 3 seasons in a row of underperformance especially with regards to transfers.
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Also think the big NIL players are looking for that feature role and KU isnât offering that with Peterson. Guess itâs hard to find Robinâs these days.
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Have we lost @BShark ?
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@mayjay not much has happened in the last 5 days.
