The portal.
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I also think we will push for another starter/hopefully a wing. Council could end up a 6th man type/ or Dawson depending on the next couple additions. Really would give Self some flexibility with lineups
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@BShark said in The portal.:
@FarmerJayhawk said in The portal.:
@DCHawker that’s why I added the disclaimer. We’re not done adding.
They have the #1 player in the 2026 class (who could potentially reclassify) visiting
Trying to gauge just how good Stokes is. Film just shows dunks in transition and some high level athletic ability. He reminds me of a more athletic Jalen Wilson, straight line speed and aggressiveness. I like the fit here but just wondering how much he could really impact a team if he joined.
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@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
@FarmerJayhawk said in The portal.:
@DCHawker that’s why I added the disclaimer. We’re not done adding.
They have the #1 player in the 2026 class (who could potentially reclassify) visiting
Trying to gauge just how good Stokes is. Film just shows dunks in transition and some high level athletic ability. He reminds me of a more athletic Jalen Wilson, straight line speed and aggressiveness. I like the fit here but just wondering how much he could really impact a team if he joined.
FWIW I would have taken Zion Williamson. Similar (smaller) mold.
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@jayhawks2010 said in The portal.:
I don’t think you can play two bigs unless your 4 is athletic and can shoot like Marcus Morris. We’ve struggled bc we’ve played two bigs and they both can’t shoot lol
Florida rotated 4 bigs, almost always 2 on the floor. Only one could shoot. Houston rotated 3 bigs, none of whom had an outside shot. Auburn played two bigs, one of them a scorer. Duke played one true big, but 3 and 4 were 6’11’ and 6’8’. Michigan played 2 bigs. TTU had a starting line-up similar in size to our current projected, but Toppin > Flory and Williams > White. Fredericko also played almost 20mpg. UConn teams only had one true big, but he was dominant and they had a lot of size across the line-up - 6’4" to 6’8".
The problem isn’t with necessarily 2 bigs that can’t shoot - it’s that the past two years we haven’t had guards/wings who could attack the paint and finish at the rim and/or consistently hit from the arc. Both shortcomings are why we have had double digit losses and early exits.
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@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
@FarmerJayhawk said in The portal.:
@DCHawker that’s why I added the disclaimer. We’re not done adding.
They have the #1 player in the 2026 class (who could potentially reclassify) visiting
Trying to gauge just how good Stokes is. Film just shows dunks in transition and some high level athletic ability. He reminds me of a more athletic Jalen Wilson, straight line speed and aggressiveness. I like the fit here but just wondering how much he could really impact a team if he joined.
I am in agreement. I think the kid looks like a freak of nature. But, to sound very old man yelling at clouds, his immaturity on the court shows up in his highlight film like crazy. I love the identity this team seems to have right now. I’m not sure Stokes naturally fits into it.
I would much prefer dropping the bag to go get Coward than add Stokes if given he choice.
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I think KU has 4 of their 5 starters for next season and most of the rotation.
I don’t see Council starting over Jackson (I know people will argue that one, but Council doesn’t scream Big 12 starter to me, at least KU level starter). I also don’t think Dawson should start either.
Right now, I’d roll with Jackson, Peterson, White, ???, and Flory to start with Council, Dawson, ???, and Tiller/??? as the rotation pieces off the bench.
This team won’t be a great shooting team, but on paper at least, it looks like this team should be an above average scoring team and defend at an elite level. This absolutely looks like a Bill Self basketball team at this point on paper.
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Rakease visited Miami and will now visit Tennessee. Working on one to Auburn as well. I think of all the guys that left this will be the one that ages badly for us…
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@BShark said in The portal.:
Rakease visited Miami and will now visit Tennessee. Working on one to Auburn as well. I think of all the guys that left this will be the one that ages badly for us…
Interesting take. He didn’t show anything in his brief time in Lawrence. Are you basing that off his HS production? Seems like he could be a glue guy, maybe. But I’ve underestimated players before.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Agree re Council. Seems like a really solid rotation guy willing to go hard when he is in. But, a starter? A <15ppg scorer at St. Bonaventure? FG% 44%. 3pt% 30%. Just 2 FTAs per game averaging 37 minutes. Against much lower competition. Just 6’4’’ and 180lbs. Not sure how he will measure up against other B12 guards/wings. Same with Dawson. 14ppg for a double digit loss team in the A-10. Just 41% from the field. Also 6’4" and 185lbs. White also seems like a solid rotation piece, but just 10ppg for an okay Illinois team and just 23mpg. Is he really a starter on a team that aspires to titles? 6’7’’ and 210lbs. Not really a 4 and doesn’t shoot well enough from outside to be a 2-3?
All good rotation players, but starters??? Are we going to have to get 25ppg+ from DP?
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@dylans Self did like him and I think his interest is telling as well. Heck of an athlete for sure. Still a young kid and Self’s substitution patterns did him no favors. I felt this way when Zuby left as well. He is one the staff would have taken back but with our plan and commits so far I understand his decision.
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@BShark Do we know why he even left?
Like did he actually expect to get big minutes based on who was in front of him? I just don’t get what happened here.
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@Kcmatt7 so first of all Bill made a lot of minute and role promises to guys last off season that didn’t end up happening. The talk to Rakease and his people this off-season was that while they would love to have him back they are in win now mode with Bill being near the end of his career. Kease was told that he would be battling with Jamari for 9th or 10th man if their portal plans came to fruition.
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Oh and this info comes from the best possible place. I won’t have access this directly very often.
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@DCHawker I think some questions we still have is- – -- -Have w improved this team in shooting the Ball like you said Council 44 % Fg , - -is that improvement ?- - shooting just 30 % on 3 pt shooting ?- -that’s not improvement. - -White isn’t by any means a better shooter, Peterson ya ok, that’s one – Flory unless he has really busted his ass during the Summer has no outside shot- – lobs is what we know at this point. - – - Have we improved our 3 point shooting ?-- Again Council for sure is not— - White is not , are we still in a position as to where opponents are going to be able to back off on certain players to clog the lane again, making us prove more then once in a while we hit the three or outside jumper ? - - Have we improved our rebounding, stronger ?-- -I know Flory Starting will get boards— -but he gets in foul trouble, who comes in to help on Boards then ?- - White is a better rebounder then KJ ?-- of course he is BUT who is making up the Difference Dickinson takes with him ?
There are pluses I agree , Our defense will be better for sure , This is where Council helps-- --Darry is suffice.-- If Flory can avoid foul ttrouble for sure better at the five Athletically, mobile , quicker , better rim defender,
Agree some More You give a team a combo of Darryn/Flory to build a team around that’s a dam good start. -Heard Really likes Dawson-- Heard that Coach himself was the first one to make contact with Dawson and like was the one who recruited Dawson 98 %- -Really likes Dawson. Again other thing is been hearing more White didn’t come here to come off the Bench- -and if they recruit over him he is out, not sticking around. We have a nice start to build around DP and Flory just adding the right pieces. Council really don’t think is who we want as a starter, bw good rotational player but not starting.-- If we could add Coward and a quality mobile back up five for Flory, with length - -Have Darryn & Flory & Coward &- Wilson – would be nice
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@dylans said in The portal.:
All I know is there is a big push to get as much money right now before the ruling on NCAA direct payments puts a salary cap on it. Basically breaking the salary cap before it’s in place. More loopholes to come…
It seems like that new rule will be a big mess immediately. So I’m KU and we only have $2 mil left in our legal kitty fund. Won’t we contact a corp with big pockets (cough… cough… Adidas) and have them make up the difference with a private NIL package for the guy we want to sign? Private NIL is unlimited and will remain unlimited!
Gosh… is this another one of those KU-Adidas situations where the NCAA smells trouble so they just investigate us again for a decade and then come up with nothing?
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Had to Chuckle at this coming from TOS.-- Posters were talking about Staff shake up.-- LOL-- one poster says all we need to do is bring SNACKS BACK problem solved lmao-- Another poster responded to that post with a- —YIKES ! ! ! ! had to laugh
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Mini Peja in the portal yes pls
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I’ll take a guard tandem that drives the ball and scores any day over a couple of perimeter shooters. All it takes is trey shooters getting cold to lose games. I’d rather not count on the trey and then take it when its there. Penetrating guards are the guys who stir up the defense and create scoring space for others. It also earns us plenty at the charity stripe and puts defenses in foul trouble. Another thing it does… rarely discussed… it exhausts all those non-contact-playing guards who then suddenly can’t hit their treys.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in The portal.:
Mini Peja in the portal yes pls
Yes. Surprisingly not a good 3pt%, but averaged 18ppg for a P5 team and definitely progressed from freshman year. DP, Dawson/Council/Elmarko, White/Stojakovic, and Flory plus another 20mpg quality big would start to get the juices flowing. Coward, Stokes would be icing on the cake…
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For the first time I now watched tape on Council. Thought I was watching TT. It doesn’t appear that he can finish with his left hand. His jump shot is like TTs first 3 years… shuffling his feet and not establishing his lower body form. TT went to shooters camp before his senior year and started to correct his form. To me, he looks like a 6th man candidate. Maybe his defense can earn him more PT.
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@drgnslayr said in The portal.:
For the first time I now watched tape on Council. Thought I was watching TT. It doesn’t appear that he can finish with his left hand. His jump shot is like TTs first 3 years… shuffling his feet and not establishing his lower body form. TT went to shooters camp before his senior year and started to correct his form. To me, he looks like a 6th man candidate. Maybe his defense can earn him more PT.
Very much agree. Feels like a guy who comes off the bench but stays on the floor.
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Couple of other decent guys : Andre Stintjakovic ( Peja’s son ) entered 6’7 17.9 ppg from Cal entered- but has a do not contact tag – might already have a team in mind sounds like.
Then We have P J Haggerty from Memphis pretty good , AAC POY Avg 21.7 ppg---- 5.8 Rpg- -& 3.7 assist per game
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@Kcmatt7 said in The portal.:
@drgnslayr said in The portal.:
For the first time I now watched tape on Council. Thought I was watching TT. It doesn’t appear that he can finish with his left hand. His jump shot is like TTs first 3 years… shuffling his feet and not establishing his lower body form. TT went to shooters camp before his senior year and started to correct his form. To me, he looks like a 6th man candidate. Maybe his defense can earn him more PT.
Very much agree. Feels like a guy who comes off the bench but stays on the floor.
Yeah Bill is going to love him I feel.
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Push the chips in for Stokes. That’s where I’m at. Go big or go home
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@drgnslayr said in The portal.:
@dylans said in The portal.:
All I know is there is a big push to get as much money right now before the ruling on NCAA direct payments puts a salary cap on it. Basically breaking the salary cap before it’s in place. More loopholes to come…
It seems like that new rule will be a big mess immediately. So I’m KU and we only have $2 mil left in our legal kitty fund. Won’t we contact a corp with big pockets (cough… cough… Adidas) and have them make up the difference with a private NIL package for the guy we want to sign? Private NIL is unlimited and will remain unlimited!
Gosh… is this another one of those KU-Adidas situations where the NCAA smells trouble so they just investigate us again for a decade and then come up with nothing?
Ugg
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@TYOHawk Wow… just watched Stokes. In some states he could be arrested for molesting the rim like that!
I’m with you. Let next year be a “Self tribute” year and let Self SMASH THE F*CK out of college basketball! Lets put an exclamation point on college basketball. Lets show Duke how to get the job done with star freshmen!
Go on, Bill… show college basketball how its done!
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@drgnslayr Unless Bill and his staff start turning away minions under 6’6", we might as well forget about dominating the NCAA!! j/k
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@DCHawker said in The portal.:
@Texas-Hawk-10 Agree re Council. Seems like a really solid rotation guy willing to go hard when he is in. But, a starter? A <15ppg scorer at St. Bonaventure? FG% 44%. 3pt% 30%. Just 2 FTAs per game averaging 37 minutes. Against much lower competition. Just 6’4’’ and 180lbs. Not sure how he will measure up against other B12 guards/wings. Same with Dawson. 14ppg for a double digit loss team in the A-10. Just 41% from the field. Also 6’4" and 185lbs. White also seems like a solid rotation piece, but just 10ppg for an okay Illinois team and just 23mpg. Is he really a starter on a team that aspires to titles? 6’7’’ and 210lbs. Not really a 4 and doesn’t shoot well enough from outside to be a 2-3?
All good rotation players, but starters??? Are we going to have to get 25ppg+ from DeP?
I don’t think Dawson should start and I don’t think White should be the starting 4, he should be at the 3. White’s scoring average last season would’ve been 3rd best on KU. KU isn’t asking him to come in and be the guy. As a 3rd or 4th option depending on who else comes in, I’m good with White’s production. Just remember, that okay Illinois team was a higher seed in the NCAA Tournament than KU was.
Peterson might be good enough to be the highest scoring player Bill Self has had at Kansas, or at least join Jalen Wilson, Frank Mason, and Wayne Simien as 20 ppg scorers and Brandon Rush, Ben McLemore, and Andrew Wiggins as the only freshmen to lead KU in scoring under Self. I also think Flory, Elmarko, and Tre White can all be double digit scorers for KU next season.
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Rylan visiting Kentucky
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@drgnslayr This all day please. Penetrating guards completely screw with a defense. All focus inherently goes to the penetrator, and then if the other 4 offensive players relocate or cut to the basket, it’s open shots and/or free throws. Sr. year Tyshawn was so good at this.
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That one Sam Houston State sharpshooter went to Indiana I think
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@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
That one Sam Houston State sharpshooter went to Indiana I think
Yes he did
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@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
That one Sam Houston State sharpshooter went to Indiana I think
They call Mark Pope the WHIFF man.
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Any word on PJ Haggerty’s destination? And if they’ll pay his $4mil asking price?!?
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Just read article about teams with most NIL money. These Schools have 10 Million : Arkansas , BYU , Duke , Indiana , Kentucky , Louisville , Michigan , St Johns , Texas Tech ,
Teams with 8 Million :- - - Auburn , U Conn , Florida , Houston , KU , KSU , Miami , Purdue , Tenn , Virg , Villanova , Tex , USC , UCLA
Money , Money , Money although thought we might be some higher
