The portal.
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@BShark said in The portal.:
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
We have to keep in mind having to basically pay Flory double what was perhaps expected has changed things. I still think it was the right decision but it’s making it harder for KU to pursue certain players we thought might be attainable
Bill just last weekend went to get more money, which he did get. They definitely want to get a reasonable back-up big and you are right that the Flory stuff changed the calculus a bit.
We need more than a back-up 5 - we need a front-court rotation player with size/bulk who can set screens, rim protect, rebound and put back misses. All of the FF and most of the E8 played two bigs and rotated in others. Florida rotated 4 bigs with 2 on the floor, Houston 3 with 2 on the floor. Same with Auburn. Duke had a lot of size in the front court and on the wings. Flory, Tiller and a just a 10 mpg back-up isn’t going to measure up. And, while we now have depth on the perimeter, it’s a pretty undersized group and no one who can consistently shoot the 3ball.
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I’m still confused on how NIL is used… especially when it comes to enticing players to come here. I know schools are paying NIL and that is about to have caps to it. But then there is private NIL and that’s unlimited. For example… Flory has a deal with Freddy’s. And when he decided to stay here I saw several posts thanking Freddy’s. It seems to me… it’s the contracted school NIL used to get players here and then once they are here their private NIL might help keep them here? If someone knows more on this, please post it!
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was listening today and podcast was saying talking about Lewis as one and what it might take if we got involved.
Even though different positions comparing what it might take, compared and the Return of Jt Toppin at Tech was right around Four Million , so if your looking at Lewis and wanting to be considered serious probably would be right around same
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in The portal.:
I assume Peterson has the biggest piece of the NIL pie and I’m guessing Elmarko’s NIL deal is over $1 million considered his projections out of high school and what he would’ve gotten at the time as a projected OAD.
I don’t know on Elmarko but the word on DP is he is getting 3 million from KU.
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Sounds like if the visit goes well for Council he will be a Jayhawk.
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@BShark IDK if this is included in that 3 million but honestly assumed most of his NIL money was coming directly from Adidas with them nudging him to KU.
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@MR11 that’s from only KU. He is getting even more from Adidas
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@BShark how 'bout adidas step in and get Williams and RJ?
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Not how it works but it would be nice
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ESPN’s portal top 100 fwiw
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Someone mentioned Pop Isaacs to Houston? Yay. 27 point night coming our way.
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@MR11 said in The portal.:
@BShark IDK if this is included in that 3 million but honestly assumed most of his NIL money was coming directly from Adidas with them nudging him to KU.
How does that work? That 3 mil wouldn’t come out of the KU NIL pot, right? I’m guessing that is private NIL.
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@dylans I didn’t see Council on the list. Or maybe I missed him.
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@HoraceZontal I didn’t notice him either. The rankings are likely mostly based on counting stats - points mainly.
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This makes me respect Hunter more and mercenaries less.
“I gave up money. I gave up six figures to help our team get better because obviously, everybody thinks Kansas has all this money," Dickinson stated. "We weren’t even in the Top 15. We probably weren’t even in the Top 25 in spending. But they came off the rumor that we spent $5 million last year, and [players] were all on the bus like, ‘S***, who got the $5 million?’”
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@dylans interesting
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@approxinfinity Makes me wonder if there will be transparency at some point. Most of what we have is speculation.
Hopefully a salary cap or the like will return a better competitive balance. - it probably doesn’t help KU, but whatever. I’d like to win over a level field.
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Guess we have been in contact within the last 24 hours according to the Agents Trai & Flaggs of OG 6 sports mgt- for Duke Brennen of Grand Canyon U , might be s back up for Flory averaging 10.5 ppg - - & 9.2 rpg , pretty solid guy , might be a bruiser- hits the boards 6’10 - -250.— other Schools are KU Okla , NW-- & S Carol mentioned
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I see we just made the cut for Shawn Phillips-- 7 footer from Arizona State
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@dylans Unbelievable… Gators, MSU, AZ, Auburn, Cougars don’t appear on the list.
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Phillips focusing on five Schools - -Cinn---- -Missouri- - - -Memphis----- -Villanova— - & KU
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@SlimShaddy54 said in The portal.:
Shawn Phillips
The kind of low post player coach Self would put in starting lineup in a heartbeat. I’d rather longer wing man with athleticism & scoring threat.
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@msanchez AZ is #6. Florida and Auburn are football centric money wise and have no shortage of funds. MSU
️ what have they accomplished since that title a quarter of a century ago in 2000? How does Izzo keep his job? No crying poverty for these schools.Houston has a good coach and has had pretty good player retention, hopefully they keep it up and don’t fall apart soon. The Big12 needs more than just KU basketball (assuming KU returns to prominence).
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@dylans said in The portal.:
This makes me respect Hunter more and mercenaries less.
“I gave up money. I gave up six figures to help our team get better because obviously, everybody thinks Kansas has all this money," Dickinson stated. "We weren’t even in the Top 15. We probably weren’t even in the Top 25 in spending. But they came off the rumor that we spent $5 million last year, and [players] were all on the bus like, ‘S***, who got the $5 million?’”
Point being, I don’t believe KU can just pay for every player they want. There is still an element of recruiting involved. It would be nice to better understand the budget to understand the direction of recruiting a bit more.
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@dylans Thanks for the correction… lol… wherare my glasses? I see MSU in #13. Well, at least they played in S16. Although, I had to agree with you, they still sucked.
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Two adidas schools more valuable than Kansas on that list, if chatgpt is to be trusted:
Rank Program Revenue Shoe Sponsor Notes 1 North Carolina $378M Jordan Brand (Nike) Longstanding partnership since the early 1990s. 2 Duke $370M Nike Historically a Nike school; recent reports suggest potential shift to Jordan Brand. 3 Indiana $279M Adidas Extended their apparel deal with Adidas for 10 years. 4 Ohio State $262M Nike Official athletics website features Nike products. 5 Louisville $260M Adidas Entered a $160 million deal with Adidas. 6 Arizona $257M Nike Renewed athletic apparel contract with Nike. 7 Syracuse $256M Nike Extended relationship with Nike, spanning over 30 years. 8 Illinois $232M Nike Celebrated 25-year partnership with Nike. 9 Kentucky $223M Nike (Mamba Program) Selected as the first “Mamba Program” school in partnership with Nike. 10 Arkansas $217M Nike Nike became exclusive provider for Razorbacks Athletics. 11 Kansas $191M Adidas Extended deal with Adidas through 2031. 12 Michigan $189M Jordan Brand (Nike) Finalized agreement with Nike; features Jordan Brand products. 13 Michigan State $183M Nike Partnered with Nike for custom products. 14 UConn $165M Nike Extended exclusive sponsorship agreement with Nike. 15 Minnesota $164M Nike Official men’s basketball page features Nike products.
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Does anyone have some insights on Amarri? ref: https://www.si.com/college/kansas/basketball/transfer-portal-update-aj-storr-flory-bidunga-amarri-monroe He’ll definitely a day-1 heavy contributor IMHO.
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Indiana is the highest value Adidas program and was Flory’s likely destination before Kansas decided to pay him the NIL he was worth. Peterson basically said he was coming back to KU no matter that we looked like a complete dumpster fire at the time.
Pretty clear that shoeco money rules the CBB universe and university NIL is just the part of the iceberg visible above sea level.
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@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
Indiana is the highest value Adidas program and was Flory’s likely destination before Kansas decided to pay him the NIL he was worth. Peterson basically said he was coming back to KU no matter that we looked like a complete dumpster fire at the time.
Pretty clear that shoeco money rules the CBB universe and university NIL is just the part of the iceberg visible above sea level.
Flory has already said it was either KU or Auburn for him just like when he was coming out of high school.
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@msanchez said in The portal.:
Does anyone have some insights on Amarri? ref: https://www.si.com/college/kansas/basketball/transfer-portal-update-aj-storr-flory-bidunga-amarri-monroe He’ll definitely a day-1 heavy contributor IMHO.
Already announced he’s staying at Quinnipiac several days ago.
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Thanks… next!
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Someone rightly pointed out that the list we are discussing is valuation and not program revenue. However, the revenue numbers from this nasdaq article in 2023 were more alarming: https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/schools-that-make-the-most-money-off-college-basketball
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@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
Someone rightly pointed out that the list we are discussing is valuation and not program revenue. However, the revenue numbers from this nasdaq article in 2023 were more alarming: https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/schools-that-make-the-most-money-off-college-basketball
KU’s public filing has them right behind Nova on the list, and $22.6M just for men’s BB.
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Was scanning through and run across this site something to do with Spors Illustrated If I Remember right, and they had predicted this earlier , well they have picked/predicted where the top eighty portal transfers have or going o land.
They have gotten a lot of them right as to where they said they would commit and where they actually committed. So they are still predicting that K J Lewis will commit o KU- --we will see I guess, I wouldn’t complain if he did
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@Kcmatt7 said in The portal.:
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
Someone rightly pointed out that the list we are discussing is valuation and not program revenue. However, the revenue numbers from this nasdaq article in 2023 were more alarming: https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/schools-that-make-the-most-money-off-college-basketball
KU’s public filing has them right behind Nova on the list, and $22.6M just for men’s BB.
Less than 3mil profit. Not much wiggle room. Definitely not enough to contribute to the NIL fund. Crazy that they only pull in 23mil. TV revenue must not be optimized or the revenue isn’t there. You’d think with the fan support they would generate enough money to pay the players. They do not without significant donations - that’s wild to me.
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They count tuition as a cost on this even though it’s not a real cost. So that’s part of it.
And then the required donations to Williams fun which is not controlled by AD is also something that doesn’t show up in this entirely.
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Wright from Baylor going to BYU his NIL is around three Million. Their NIL money has to be insane.- - Three Million for Wright , then you have AJ-- got to be unworldly, then the NIL payout they putting out to keep Sanders ////////////yazaaa
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Council visit now on for Monday
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KU has been in contact with Duke Brennan.
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Whoa, Xavian Lee visiting this weekend as being reported by Tipton
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Bill Self is unreal lmao
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@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Whoa, Xavian Lee visiting this weekend as being reported by Tipton
Would be a good get - can hit from deep and is actually a ranked transfer. White just 73 on ESPN’s list; Lee is 25. No one else associated with us is in the top 100. How is that possible??? Does it make sense to ink both Lee and Council? That is lot of perimeter players, none with much size. We need at least one true rotation big. Would Brennan really fill that need?
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Really good player
But at some point dude you need some bigs and wings…
He’s gonna have a 14 scholarship roster with 9 guards at this point
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I dunno. We really have no true PG on the roster. I know DP will dominate the ball though.
And what, three total playable guards right now? DP, Elmarko and Jayden Dawson? Tre White more of a 3-4?
We still need a lot, IMO. Bigs and littles. Bring ‘em on!
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@DCHawker Plus 6 rebounds a game at 6’4" is awesome. Says a lot about his hustle.
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in The portal.:
I dunno. We really have no true PG on the roster. I know DP will dominate the ball though.
And what, three total playable guards right now? DP, Elmarko and Jayden Dawson? Tre White more of a 3-4?
We still need a lot, IMO. Bigs and littles. Bring ‘em on!
I’m rooting for the kid but we genuinely have no idea if Elmarko is playable at this point.
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@Jhawk69 That’s playing the Ivy. Not sure if he could match that in the B12? No question a good player. But, what position? Would he be the PG? DP is more of a 2, even though would probably have the highest usage. A small 3? We would really need a big 4.
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Of course his numbers dip a bit in the big 12 but I would still love him to commit. I would envision him and Peterson working together as combo guards.
I am not worried about us recruiting him. We still have many more roster spots that we will fill. We will get a smaller guard, a couple wings, and a couple bigs yet. We just have to be a little patient.
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I still think they take Council and Lee ends up at Florida. Just my opinion.
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Would love for him to commit, as well. And, agree, we need to fill other slots. Patience? How much? Most the top 100 ranked transfers have already committed. Several schools have 2-3 of them. Louisville has 3 of the top 30, Michigan 3 of the top 33, Kentucky 3 of the top 52, 4 of the top 72. Curious why we need to be more patient than others?
