WKRP in Cincinnatti
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What a 2nd half, still ugly but got the job done. Clutch buckets late
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The 40 points Ku gave up today is the least amount of points since all the way back in 1963
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Hunter Dickinson Highlights vs. Cincinnati (14 Pts, 12 Rebs, 2 Asts)
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@SlimShaddy54 said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:
The 40 points Ku gave up today is the least amount of points since all the way back in 1963
That’s gotta be in regards to conference play because I know there were a couple of times while I was at KU that they held a non-conference opponents under 40. Just looked it up, Alcorn St. in 2009-10 and Howard in 2011-12.
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@BShark Offense looked the best when Juan wasn’t on the floor. Sloppy with the ball and doesn’t even command the other team guards him
Good news - we won
Bad news - other team didn’t guard kj and we labored to score yet again. Bad spacing, wrong guys taking the wrong shots, turnovers and no driving lanes
Against a good team we’d get handled by 15-20 which is what I expect isu to do Wednesday. If Cincy could have thrown it in the ocean they’d won
The whole “we play bad but make them play worse” I’m not a fan of. How about we figure out the way to play our best ball versus worry about the other team making us play poorly.
Good road win that we will take but Wednesday we will see if we are turning a corner or just another sweet 16 team with no title chance
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@kjayhawks said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:
I’ve been pretty easy on Juan this year, he’s been pretty solid for the most part but Shak out played him hardcore today. Idk how many deflections he got today. I hate how if you get one the steal goes to whomever catches it but I counted 8. Juando had 5 points and 1 assist today with zero fouls telling me he wasn’t aggressive in the slightest
You were watching a very different game if you think Dejuan wasn’t aggressive at all today.
Nobody had more than 2 assists for KU today and only 12 for the game which is probably a season low, or close to it.
What Shak does for Dejuan is take pressure off of him. Dejuan no longer has to have the responsibility of both running the offense and guarding the other team’s best perimeter player. Shak being able to focus on guarding the best perimeter player allows Dejuan to guard a lesser player which requires less energy.
It also means that Dejuan can focus more of his energy on running the offense and what the assists numbers say is that KU was scoring more off of the second and third passes rather than directly off of Dejuan’s passes.
Cincinnati played great defense for the first 30 minutes, but KU finally wore out their defense and Dejuan was a large part of that with his movement both with and without the ball.
Shak and Dejuan are not in competition with each other. Their games compliment each other very well and work best when both are on the floor together.
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@kjayhawks Crazy what will happen to the program when a legitimate D1 athlete who can drive, defend and hit the occasional 3 will do
Now imagine a 4 man who’s athletic and can stretch the floor
Actual spacing and good offense! I’m sure we will still pound it inside to some big man with low offensive skill set cause that’s the Self way but least we will be fun to watch!
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I’m not sure Gurley and Hanni is the one’s who mentioned it saying first time since 63
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@Texas-Hawk-10 That place will be rocking and I might just be there for it
Their guards are all crazy athletic and force a ton of turnovers (I feel like most in conference but don’t care to look it up).
Juan, Zeke and Kj will all have 3+ a piece
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@FarmerJayhawk welcome to the 90’s baby
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David Lawrence on the radio said it was the lowest point total for an opponent on the road since 1960 when we held Nebraska to 39 in Lincoln
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KJ was awesome today. That stretch where he forced the Cincinnati turnover then got the stickback and drew the foul was the most important moment in the game
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Big time play. The emotions after was well deserved
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Zeke, Shak, and DaJuan were all rock-solid on defense. Shout-out to Hunter for playing the best defensive game of his career as well.
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@kuballin10 said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:
@Texas-Hawk-10 That place will be rocking and I might just be there for it
Their guards are all crazy athletic and force a ton of turnovers (I feel like most in conference but don’t care to look it up).
Juan, Zeke and Kj will all have 3+ a piece
KU only turns the ball over 10 times per game. They’ve been much better at protecting the ball than you think this season. They’re also only allowing 51.3 ppg in conference play with 3 of the 4 teams being projected in the NCAA Tournament field. ISU isn’t going to come close to the 86 ppg they’re averaging this season. It’ll be a game played somewhere between 65-75 points.
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Today was KU’s 7th game of the season holding an opponent under 60 points and 2nd time holding a team under 50. The last title team held 8 opponents under 60 points and the last time KU held multiple teams under 50 was the 2019-20 team.
This group is showing some things in common with two of the best KU teams in recent history, especially on defense.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Isu will score 70-75 and shoot well in front of an electric crowd
We will score in that 50-59 range and maybe crack 60 if they call off the dogs the last 2 minutes
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@Texas-Hawk-10 In 2018 the number one defensive team in the nation lost to a 16 seed
When you pride yourself on defense from 2015 on that isn’t the best way to win. Slowing down the game, limiting possessions are all things bad teams want good teams to do.
Offensive ranking from 2015 on is a better indicator
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@Texas-Hawk-10 last game we saw a baseline lob to AJ first play of second half i think against the 2-3. Today we saw a shot clock violation, maybe on the first possession second half for Cincy. These are key indicators for me. A couple set play buckets can be the difference. And stifling d on command can be the catalyst for a devastating run that breaks our opponent like we did second half today.
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A debate about whether having an elite defense is a good thing… This should be interesting
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Worked well in 2018….oh wait
Elite offense >> elite defens
If prideful Hurley can figure it out anyone can Spends more practice on O than D
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Shhhh. 2018 never happened
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@kuballin10 said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:
@Texas-Hawk-10 In 2018 the number one defensive team in the nation lost to a 16 seed
When you pride yourself on defense from 2015 on that isn’t the best way to win. Slowing down the game, limiting possessions are all things bad teams want good teams to do.
Offensive ranking from 2015 on is a better indicator
So fast tempo, got it. KU’s tempo is faster than Auburn, Duke, and Tennessee’s and not much slower than ISU’s and none of those teams are top 100 in tempo. There’s only 1 team in Kenpom’s top 5 that has a top 100 tempo. Looks like other good teams, including pretty much all of the title contenders, prefer playing at a slower tempo as well.
Maybe KU isn’t playing nearly as slow as you think they are.
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IDK, several games ago we watched WVU carve up a very indifferent defense, well at least until they were better. But 2nd half totals. WVU. 29 pts, UCF 23, AZSt 13. Today 15. We’ve given up 80 points in the equivalent of 2 games of basketball in the 2nd half. Go back further, Brown scored 22, NCState only scored 30. That’s 132 points given up in the 2nd halfs of 6 games, an average of 22. Seems like the team turned a corner after the Missou loss.
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Good research
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:
@kuballin10 said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:
@Texas-Hawk-10 In 2018 the number one defensive team in the nation lost to a 16 seed
When you pride yourself on defense from 2015 on that isn’t the best way to win. Slowing down the game, limiting possessions are all things bad teams want good teams to do.
Offensive ranking from 2015 on is a better indicator
So fast tempo, got it. KU’s tempo is faster than Auburn, Duke, and Tennessee’s and not much slower than ISU’s and none of those teams are top 100 in tempo. There’s only 1 team in Kenpom’s top 5 that has a top 100 tempo. Looks like other good teams, including pretty much all of the title contenders, prefer playing at a slower tempo as well.
Maybe KU isn’t playing nearly as slow as you think they are.
Of the last 10 national champions, more have been outside the top 300 in tempo than inside the top 100. Kind of a crazy stat but then again Nova, UConn, Virginia, and KU all play some kind of motion that lends itself to working into the shot clock. Bama is really the outlier among recently really good teams that plays fast.
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@kuballin10 said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:
Worked well in 2018….oh wait
Elite offense >> elite defens
If prideful Hurley can figure it out anyone can Spends more practice on O than D
You have that backwards. UConn hasn’t won an NCAA Tournament game under Hurley in any season they haven’t had a top 10 defense. He’s had good good offenses before the two titles and he has a good offense this season, but those other years, UConn’s defense was not good enough to win an NCAA Tournament game. Also, don’t forget that Hurley’s first title came against the weakest Final Four team in history and finished 4th in the Big East that season. Hurley had more luck in that tournament than Self did in 2022.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:
@kuballin10 said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:
@Texas-Hawk-10 In 2018 the number one defensive team in the nation lost to a 16 seed
When you pride yourself on defense from 2015 on that isn’t the best way to win. Slowing down the game, limiting possessions are all things bad teams want good teams to do.
Offensive ranking from 2015 on is a better indicator
So fast tempo, got it. KU’s tempo is faster than Auburn, Duke, and Tennessee’s and not much slower than ISU’s and none of those teams are top 100 in tempo. There’s only 1 team in Kenpom’s top 5 that has a top 100 tempo. Looks like other good teams, including pretty much all of the title contenders, prefer playing at a slower tempo as well.
Maybe KU isn’t playing nearly as slow as you think they are.
Heck no, not all tempo - also ppg and how offensively efficient you are. Teams you listed below….
Auburn ppg - 87.9 -#1 O on kenpom
Duke - 80 #6
Tenn - 77.3 #35
Isu - 86.3 #7
Ku- 78.9 #30
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@Texas-Hawk-10 You just make stuff up?
Tell me the years they had a top 5 offensive efficiency on kenpom and what they did that year? They weren’t top 10 any other year offensively per KP from 2018 on except their 2 title years. I’ve literally this summer listed out or heck maybe it was this past March the ncaa winners offensive and defensive ratings dating back to 2015 and showed O is more important than D. O rating was higher whereas D didn’t have to be perfect could be anywhere from 8-15 range
Hint - 3rd and a 2023 ncaa title
1st in 2024 - title
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@kuballin10 What am I making up? At no point did I say anything about which ranking was higher between offense and defense. That’s 100% you. You keep trying to imply I think offense doesn’t matter, tell me where I’ve ever said that? UConn had good offenses before their title teams, they didn’t have good defenses and couldn’t won a tournament game because their defense was trash. They won their titles when their defense went from barely top 50 to top 10. Their offense was already top 25 before the titles.
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Is there anyone who disagrees that offense is slightly more important than defense but that both are extremely important?
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@Jhawk69 I think the last 3 games have proved that D had been more important. JMI
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You can argue back and forth about which one is more important but great teams are good at both when they need to be. I believe no team has won a NC without being top 20 in both Defensive and Offensive efficiency since KenPom started tracking them. Defense is better to me because it travels and doesn’t have an off night.
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@kjayhawks Today was a perfect example of what you’re saying. Our offense wasn’t very good until the last 6-8 minutes but our defense kept us in the game. Granted, Cincy shot poorly but I like to think we had a lot to do with that.
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Wow, that was maybe the ugliest game I can recall.
The D is coming alive! I watched the Shaq post game interview. Very impressed with his confidence and demeanor.
Some of the stats are just astounding.
Seven total FT attempts! Combined.
KU under 10% from deep.
I’m not quite sure what to think of this team. It seems to be transitioning the last three games.
All Shaq?
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Shakeel seems to be most athletic guard in the team, more so than AJ.
After Flo, #2 most athletic.
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This was kind of a game where HCBS was licking his chips and smiling all the way back to Lawrence.
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Chicks love the long ball. A 49-48 football score is rapturous. A game with barely 100 points is awful…say some. But defense is 51% of the game. Yet many comment ‘we’ll never get to the 2nd weekend’ or ‘this team is broke’. Not sure why this team can’t score the basketball but if we were won 94-80 yesterday it’d be joy in mudville because the team can make shots. No one would be complaining about a 14 point road victory.
Not really seeing this here but seeing comments on other social media about the teams struggles.
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I mean the offense is not nearly close to the level it needs to be. #32 ranked on Kenpom, the d is rated 28 places ahead. They have been struggling to score all season long. You need to be proficient and good at both ends in March. Defense will carry you so far as it has lately but this is the regular season.
Hopefully as time continues on we’ll see improvement on offense. We play the best team to date on Wednesday in their gym and it’s crucial we see a level of offense that can compete with the big dogs.
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@BeddieKU23 We do have a neutral court win over Duke so we know this team can beat other elite schools on a neutral floor.
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@BeddieKU23 said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:
I mean the offense is not nearly close to the level it needs to be. #32 ranked on Kenpom, the d is rated 28 places ahead. They have been struggling to score all season long. You need to be proficient and good at both ends in March. Defense will carry you so far as it has lately but this is the regular season.
And how freaking weird is all that!? Totally the opposite of how we thought this team was built. Thought we’d need to score 90 per game to compete!
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On the podcast Field of 68 , these guys were impressed how KU has become a pretty good defensive team. - - over the last three games we are giving up a scoring avg of 47.6 points pe game- 48 , 55 , & 40 .- last two were 13 points in the 2nd half – & yesterday 15 points- -they were talking holding Cincinnati to 40 points on there home floor. - that’s a point a minute.
The host said really love Hunters comment saying if we are going to play poorly then let’s just make sure the other team plays more poorly. —Shaq is making a big difference- - believe that
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REALITY CHECK: ISU awaits us! This is a team built to give us a real challenge. We better bring defense and we damn sure better bring offense. If we dilly-dally through the first half of this game we will be down 20+! I heavily suggest we finally make Hunter stay in the post and score! You want high ball screens, that’s what KJ’s for!
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@drgnslayr said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:
REALITY CHECK: ISU awaits us! This is a team built to give us a real challenge. We better bring defense and we damn sure better bring offense. If we dilly-dally through the first half of this game we will be down 20+! I heavily suggest we finally make Hunter stay in the post and score! You want high ball screens, that’s what KJ’s for!
First half dilly dallying is a concern.
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https://x.com/grahamdoeren/status/1878447597431525721?s=46&t=g96gm2rs99F0zi1D3PVsJQ
This team is good. Just doesn’t look like how some people would want it to. Then again some people are never happy.
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:
@BeddieKU23 said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:
I mean the offense is not nearly close to the level it needs to be. #32 ranked on Kenpom, the d is rated 28 places ahead. They have been struggling to score all season long. You need to be proficient and good at both ends in March. Defense will carry you so far as it has lately but this is the regular season.
And how freaking weird is all that!? Totally the opposite of how we thought this team was built. Thought we’d need to score 90 per game to compete!
Good point. I’m still not sure we can play this kind of defense against say Iowa St or Houston coming up and but it’s been impressive to see the lock down defense of late. If the offense does come around not many teams can beat them
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:
@BeddieKU23 We do have a neutral court win over Duke so we know this team can beat other elite schools on a neutral floor.
Sometimes those early season games are not the best indicator but you always hope they are a sort of predictor of how the team would handle neutral court games in the tournament
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@BeddieKU23 i will take the growth curve of Bills team over Scheyers team all day, provided the talent is there.
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And currently Duke is the only ranked team in the ACC.
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@BShark said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:
https://x.com/grahamdoeren/status/1878447597431525721?s=46&t=g96gm2rs99F0zi1D3PVsJQ
This team is good. Just doesn’t look like how some people would want it to. Then again some people are never happy.
??? I thought our offense was ranked way down low?
