WKRP in Cincinnatti
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Second half for Cincy - .517 ppp
Bill must be BEAMING after these recent defensive showings.
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Time to go make some chili and get ready for the Texans game!
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KJ better last two games rebounding , Nine & then Seven today- - Five offensive - - we doing better on the offensive glass
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@BShark How much does defense cause a team like cincy to miss so many shots at the rim? I mean my screen was really pretty poor quality but there must have been ten plays where through the snow I thought oh crap they’re gonna score and then somehow they missed? Looked like a lot of really easy wide open misses to me. I know defensive pressure can get in a kids head but, idk, what’s the answer?
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@wissox I think that the rims weren’t regulation size in this one haha
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ISU and TTU a good game - much higher level of play…
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I’ve been pretty easy on Juan this year, he’s been pretty solid for the most part but Shak out played him hardcore today. Idk how many deflections he got today. I hate how if you get one the steal goes to whomever catches it but I counted 8. Juando had 5 points and 1 assist today with zero fouls telling me he wasn’t aggressive in the slightest
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@wissox said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:
@BShark How much does defense cause a team like cincy to miss so many shots at the rim? I mean my screen was really pretty poor quality but there must have been ten plays where through the snow I thought oh crap they’re gonna score and then somehow they missed? Looked like a lot of really easy wide open misses to me. I know defensive pressure can get in a kids head but, idk, what’s the answer?
They had some that went in and out. The missed dunk was insane but I don’t think they had tons of open looks all game. I could be wrong.
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We had 5 turnovers in the first 8 minutes and 2 in the last 32. Why in the world was this game not boring?
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@Zabudda said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:
We had 5 turnovers in the first 8 minutes and 2 in the last 32. Why in the world was this game not boring?
Some people appreciate great defense and KU was pretty much lights out on defense today. Cincy was pretty good defensively for the first 30 minutes today.
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Cincy only scored 3 points in the final 7:33 of the game. KU’s defense was lights out down the stretch.
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@wissox both I think
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Shak Moore 27 minutes today, only one less than Juan.
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What a 2nd half, still ugly but got the job done. Clutch buckets late
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The 40 points Ku gave up today is the least amount of points since all the way back in 1963
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Hunter Dickinson Highlights vs. Cincinnati (14 Pts, 12 Rebs, 2 Asts)
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@SlimShaddy54 said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:
The 40 points Ku gave up today is the least amount of points since all the way back in 1963
That’s gotta be in regards to conference play because I know there were a couple of times while I was at KU that they held a non-conference opponents under 40. Just looked it up, Alcorn St. in 2009-10 and Howard in 2011-12.
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@BShark Offense looked the best when Juan wasn’t on the floor. Sloppy with the ball and doesn’t even command the other team guards him
Good news - we won
Bad news - other team didn’t guard kj and we labored to score yet again. Bad spacing, wrong guys taking the wrong shots, turnovers and no driving lanes
Against a good team we’d get handled by 15-20 which is what I expect isu to do Wednesday. If Cincy could have thrown it in the ocean they’d won
The whole “we play bad but make them play worse” I’m not a fan of. How about we figure out the way to play our best ball versus worry about the other team making us play poorly.
Good road win that we will take but Wednesday we will see if we are turning a corner or just another sweet 16 team with no title chance
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@kjayhawks said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:
I’ve been pretty easy on Juan this year, he’s been pretty solid for the most part but Shak out played him hardcore today. Idk how many deflections he got today. I hate how if you get one the steal goes to whomever catches it but I counted 8. Juando had 5 points and 1 assist today with zero fouls telling me he wasn’t aggressive in the slightest
You were watching a very different game if you think Dejuan wasn’t aggressive at all today.
Nobody had more than 2 assists for KU today and only 12 for the game which is probably a season low, or close to it.
What Shak does for Dejuan is take pressure off of him. Dejuan no longer has to have the responsibility of both running the offense and guarding the other team’s best perimeter player. Shak being able to focus on guarding the best perimeter player allows Dejuan to guard a lesser player which requires less energy.
It also means that Dejuan can focus more of his energy on running the offense and what the assists numbers say is that KU was scoring more off of the second and third passes rather than directly off of Dejuan’s passes.
Cincinnati played great defense for the first 30 minutes, but KU finally wore out their defense and Dejuan was a large part of that with his movement both with and without the ball.
Shak and Dejuan are not in competition with each other. Their games compliment each other very well and work best when both are on the floor together.
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@kjayhawks Crazy what will happen to the program when a legitimate D1 athlete who can drive, defend and hit the occasional 3 will do
Now imagine a 4 man who’s athletic and can stretch the floor
Actual spacing and good offense! I’m sure we will still pound it inside to some big man with low offensive skill set cause that’s the Self way but least we will be fun to watch!
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I’m not sure Gurley and Hanni is the one’s who mentioned it saying first time since 63
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@Texas-Hawk-10 That place will be rocking and I might just be there for it
Their guards are all crazy athletic and force a ton of turnovers (I feel like most in conference but don’t care to look it up).
Juan, Zeke and Kj will all have 3+ a piece
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@FarmerJayhawk welcome to the 90’s baby
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David Lawrence on the radio said it was the lowest point total for an opponent on the road since 1960 when we held Nebraska to 39 in Lincoln
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KJ was awesome today. That stretch where he forced the Cincinnati turnover then got the stickback and drew the foul was the most important moment in the game
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Big time play. The emotions after was well deserved
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Zeke, Shak, and DaJuan were all rock-solid on defense. Shout-out to Hunter for playing the best defensive game of his career as well.
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@kuballin10 said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:
@Texas-Hawk-10 That place will be rocking and I might just be there for it
Their guards are all crazy athletic and force a ton of turnovers (I feel like most in conference but don’t care to look it up).
Juan, Zeke and Kj will all have 3+ a piece
KU only turns the ball over 10 times per game. They’ve been much better at protecting the ball than you think this season. They’re also only allowing 51.3 ppg in conference play with 3 of the 4 teams being projected in the NCAA Tournament field. ISU isn’t going to come close to the 86 ppg they’re averaging this season. It’ll be a game played somewhere between 65-75 points.
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Today was KU’s 7th game of the season holding an opponent under 60 points and 2nd time holding a team under 50. The last title team held 8 opponents under 60 points and the last time KU held multiple teams under 50 was the 2019-20 team.
This group is showing some things in common with two of the best KU teams in recent history, especially on defense.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Isu will score 70-75 and shoot well in front of an electric crowd
We will score in that 50-59 range and maybe crack 60 if they call off the dogs the last 2 minutes
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@Texas-Hawk-10 In 2018 the number one defensive team in the nation lost to a 16 seed
When you pride yourself on defense from 2015 on that isn’t the best way to win. Slowing down the game, limiting possessions are all things bad teams want good teams to do.
Offensive ranking from 2015 on is a better indicator
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@Texas-Hawk-10 last game we saw a baseline lob to AJ first play of second half i think against the 2-3. Today we saw a shot clock violation, maybe on the first possession second half for Cincy. These are key indicators for me. A couple set play buckets can be the difference. And stifling d on command can be the catalyst for a devastating run that breaks our opponent like we did second half today.
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A debate about whether having an elite defense is a good thing… This should be interesting
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Worked well in 2018….oh wait
Elite offense >> elite defens
If prideful Hurley can figure it out anyone can Spends more practice on O than D
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Shhhh. 2018 never happened
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@kuballin10 said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:
@Texas-Hawk-10 In 2018 the number one defensive team in the nation lost to a 16 seed
When you pride yourself on defense from 2015 on that isn’t the best way to win. Slowing down the game, limiting possessions are all things bad teams want good teams to do.
Offensive ranking from 2015 on is a better indicator
So fast tempo, got it. KU’s tempo is faster than Auburn, Duke, and Tennessee’s and not much slower than ISU’s and none of those teams are top 100 in tempo. There’s only 1 team in Kenpom’s top 5 that has a top 100 tempo. Looks like other good teams, including pretty much all of the title contenders, prefer playing at a slower tempo as well.
Maybe KU isn’t playing nearly as slow as you think they are.
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IDK, several games ago we watched WVU carve up a very indifferent defense, well at least until they were better. But 2nd half totals. WVU. 29 pts, UCF 23, AZSt 13. Today 15. We’ve given up 80 points in the equivalent of 2 games of basketball in the 2nd half. Go back further, Brown scored 22, NCState only scored 30. That’s 132 points given up in the 2nd halfs of 6 games, an average of 22. Seems like the team turned a corner after the Missou loss.
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Good research
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:
@kuballin10 said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:
@Texas-Hawk-10 In 2018 the number one defensive team in the nation lost to a 16 seed
When you pride yourself on defense from 2015 on that isn’t the best way to win. Slowing down the game, limiting possessions are all things bad teams want good teams to do.
Offensive ranking from 2015 on is a better indicator
So fast tempo, got it. KU’s tempo is faster than Auburn, Duke, and Tennessee’s and not much slower than ISU’s and none of those teams are top 100 in tempo. There’s only 1 team in Kenpom’s top 5 that has a top 100 tempo. Looks like other good teams, including pretty much all of the title contenders, prefer playing at a slower tempo as well.
Maybe KU isn’t playing nearly as slow as you think they are.
Of the last 10 national champions, more have been outside the top 300 in tempo than inside the top 100. Kind of a crazy stat but then again Nova, UConn, Virginia, and KU all play some kind of motion that lends itself to working into the shot clock. Bama is really the outlier among recently really good teams that plays fast.
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@kuballin10 said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:
Worked well in 2018….oh wait
Elite offense >> elite defens
If prideful Hurley can figure it out anyone can Spends more practice on O than D
You have that backwards. UConn hasn’t won an NCAA Tournament game under Hurley in any season they haven’t had a top 10 defense. He’s had good good offenses before the two titles and he has a good offense this season, but those other years, UConn’s defense was not good enough to win an NCAA Tournament game. Also, don’t forget that Hurley’s first title came against the weakest Final Four team in history and finished 4th in the Big East that season. Hurley had more luck in that tournament than Self did in 2022.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:
@kuballin10 said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:
@Texas-Hawk-10 In 2018 the number one defensive team in the nation lost to a 16 seed
When you pride yourself on defense from 2015 on that isn’t the best way to win. Slowing down the game, limiting possessions are all things bad teams want good teams to do.
Offensive ranking from 2015 on is a better indicator
So fast tempo, got it. KU’s tempo is faster than Auburn, Duke, and Tennessee’s and not much slower than ISU’s and none of those teams are top 100 in tempo. There’s only 1 team in Kenpom’s top 5 that has a top 100 tempo. Looks like other good teams, including pretty much all of the title contenders, prefer playing at a slower tempo as well.
Maybe KU isn’t playing nearly as slow as you think they are.
Heck no, not all tempo - also ppg and how offensively efficient you are. Teams you listed below….
Auburn ppg - 87.9 -#1 O on kenpom
Duke - 80 #6
Tenn - 77.3 #35
Isu - 86.3 #7
Ku- 78.9 #30
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@Texas-Hawk-10 You just make stuff up?
Tell me the years they had a top 5 offensive efficiency on kenpom and what they did that year? They weren’t top 10 any other year offensively per KP from 2018 on except their 2 title years. I’ve literally this summer listed out or heck maybe it was this past March the ncaa winners offensive and defensive ratings dating back to 2015 and showed O is more important than D. O rating was higher whereas D didn’t have to be perfect could be anywhere from 8-15 range
Hint - 3rd and a 2023 ncaa title
1st in 2024 - title
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@kuballin10 What am I making up? At no point did I say anything about which ranking was higher between offense and defense. That’s 100% you. You keep trying to imply I think offense doesn’t matter, tell me where I’ve ever said that? UConn had good offenses before their title teams, they didn’t have good defenses and couldn’t won a tournament game because their defense was trash. They won their titles when their defense went from barely top 50 to top 10. Their offense was already top 25 before the titles.
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Is there anyone who disagrees that offense is slightly more important than defense but that both are extremely important?
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@Jhawk69 I think the last 3 games have proved that D had been more important. JMI
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You can argue back and forth about which one is more important but great teams are good at both when they need to be. I believe no team has won a NC without being top 20 in both Defensive and Offensive efficiency since KenPom started tracking them. Defense is better to me because it travels and doesn’t have an off night.
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@kjayhawks Today was a perfect example of what you’re saying. Our offense wasn’t very good until the last 6-8 minutes but our defense kept us in the game. Granted, Cincy shot poorly but I like to think we had a lot to do with that.
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Wow, that was maybe the ugliest game I can recall.
The D is coming alive! I watched the Shaq post game interview. Very impressed with his confidence and demeanor.
Some of the stats are just astounding.
Seven total FT attempts! Combined.
KU under 10% from deep.
I’m not quite sure what to think of this team. It seems to be transitioning the last three games.
All Shaq?
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Shakeel seems to be most athletic guard in the team, more so than AJ.
After Flo, #2 most athletic.
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This was kind of a game where HCBS was licking his chips and smiling all the way back to Lawrence.
