Let’s talk Illinois
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@wissox I won’t be able to watch either.
I’ll be watching Remember The Titans.
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@FarmerJayhawk The genuine concerns at this point are Grimes play calling and Daniels decision making. The play calling was atrocious and didn’t play to Daniels or the rest of the offenses strengths at all. There was no reason last night for the run pass balance to be 50/50. It really should’ve been much closer to 60/40 in favor of running the ball. Also, the situational play calling was not good either. Grimes has one of the top backs in the country and threw on a third and short on both their second and third to last possessions. KU still had the lead on that third to last possession when Grimes threw on both 2nd and 3rd and 3 with Daniels hovering around 50% completion. There was still 13 minutes left so I get passing in 2nd and 3 and taking a shot, but passing on 3rd and 3 when you have Neal and Hishaw in the backfield is incredibly dumb play calling. Who cares if Illinois knows that ball should go to Neal or Hishaw in that situation, KU’s line and Neal and Hishaw are good enough to get 3 yards. Devin Neal only touching the ball twice the entire 4th quarter is inexcusable.
Grimes also didn’t call plays to Daniels strengths as a passer. Daniels has never had the biggest arm so why is Grimes calling so many deep passes? How many of those deep passes were incomplete because of being badly underthrown including Daniels third INT of the game?
The first two of Daniels INT’s were really bad because of Daniels decison making. The first pick was Daniels trying to make a Mahomes style play/throw and he doesn’t have the arm strength. The pick six should’ve been tucked and run because of that screen was a busted play from the start, but Daniels didn’t recognize it.
There’s genuine reason for concern at this point going forward because of Grimes play calling and Daniels decison making.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I know zip about Grimes, but at what point does Lance step in and say “I’ll call the plays”
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@FarmerJayhawk either way you want to slice it, last night was one of the worst play calling performances in the history of the game of football. Baylor fans went nuts with joy when he left. It’s looking like the worst coordinator hire in CFB thus far.
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@kjayhawks yeah, the way I want to slice it is not make up that he’s been fired from everywhere.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 it absolutely wasn’t our best night, no doubt about it. But I do believe they’ll adjust and get it together. Daniels and Grimes are too good not to.
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@FarmerJayhawk I didn’t say he was fired everywhere but there is a reason he don’t last long and fan bases do a happy dance when he leaves.
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@kjayhawks you did, that’s fine. Keep the narrative in your head. I missed the celebration from Provo when he left after they led the country in yards per play and went 11-1 or Baton Rouge where they had a top 20 rushing offense and went 9-4 the year before he left
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@FarmerJayhawk The lack of situational awareness from Grimes play calling is very concerning for someone in his 7th year as an OC.
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@kjayhawks said in Let’s talk Illinois:
@FarmerJayhawk either way you want to slice it, last night was one of the worst play calling performances in the history of the game of football. Baylor fans went nuts with joy when he left. It’s looking like the worst coordinator hire in CFB thus far.
I do believe that Coach L haas the final decision about play calls , if there is a play and he doesn’t like that particular call for that situation he can always shut it down- - he has the last say on any play if he wans.
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@FarmerJayhawk well you and I usually agree on most things. I’ll agree disagree with you buddy but I hope he fired sooner rather than later
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@Texas-Hawk-10 exactly, if you would told me this was his first season in football, I would’ve believed it no questions asked.
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@kjayhawks said in Let’s talk Illinois:
@Texas-Hawk-10 exactly, if you would told me this was his first season in football, I would’ve believed it no questions asked.
I’m not at your level of being down on the team. Not once have I said that Daniels should be benched or anyone be fired. Right now, you sound little like a certain someone who only shows up when there’s something negative going on with the basketball team.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 haha I’m pretty ticked off I can’t argue that. Most QBs that have 6 turnovers in 6 quarters get benched from what I’ve seen of American football. Grimes I no faith in, he won’t be here longer than a year or two. He’ll leave or get canned in that time frame.
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Bears won today the same way Illinois won yesterday. Turnover prone team who generally outplayed the victors. Gain more yards? Lose. More Time of Possession? Lose.
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@wissox Turnovers can do that to a team real fast. If KU doesn’t turn it over they likely win by 3 touchdowns
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IMO there is only one way to to make last night be okay…… Win in Manhattan
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@wissox How did Caleb look? He had flashes of brilliance in the pre-season.
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@kjayhawks said in Let’s talk Illinois:
@rockchalkjayhawk Grimes has been ran out of town every he has been for pretty much the same thing we saw last night. Lack of common knowledge of the game.
Hmm, why the hell did we hire him? Best available?
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@dylans I did not watch but looking at stats he did okay.
How Bears won the game was incredible, sometimes your opponent mess up things.
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@dylans Like a rookie with talent but who really only played about a half game in the preseason. Didn’t make any bad throws, had several drops that would have been bigger plays, but also took a 19 yard sack. To me most glaring was he looked slow.
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@AsadZ said in Let’s talk Illinois:
How Bears won the game was incredible, sometimes your opponent mess up things.
Exactly, like we did against Illinois!
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My hot takes:
- I’m not impressed with the offensive coordinator. Of course, there was some poor execution, but the play calls seemed unwise.
- This year is all about “Can you win when you are the team circled on the other team’s calendar?” Illinois wanted revenge. UNLV will want the same. Then you’ve got WV who will remember the last time KU visited Morgantown.
Winning when you are taking the other team’s best shot and they are passionately preparing for you is very different.
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in Let’s talk Illinois:
@kjayhawks said in Let’s talk Illinois:
@rockchalkjayhawk Grimes has been ran out of town every he has been for pretty much the same thing we saw last night. Lack of common knowledge of the game.
Hmm, why the hell did we hire him? Best available?
Our #1 choice had leukemia and Grimes was the best available. 2 time Broyles finalist, not too shabby
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Let’s talk Illinois:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in Let’s talk Illinois:
@kjayhawks said in Let’s talk Illinois:
@rockchalkjayhawk Grimes has been ran out of town every he has been for pretty much the same thing we saw last night. Lack of common knowledge of the game.
Hmm, why the hell did we hire him? Best available?
Our #1 choice had leukemia and Grimes was the best available. 2 time Broyles finalist, not too shabby
@FarmerJayhawk Hey you seem to be the only poster standing up for Grimes. I don’t know any better, so no clue, but why the positive tone when most others are down on him?
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@nuleafjhawk said in Let’s talk Illinois:
I’M. SO. PISSED.
First time I’ve been mad about KU football in awhile. It’s usually apathy.
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Lessons learned?
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in Let’s talk Illinois:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Let’s talk Illinois:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in Let’s talk Illinois:
@kjayhawks said in Let’s talk Illinois:
@rockchalkjayhawk Grimes has been ran out of town every he has been for pretty much the same thing we saw last night. Lack of common knowledge of the game.
Hmm, why the hell did we hire him? Best available?
Our #1 choice had leukemia and Grimes was the best available. 2 time Broyles finalist, not too shabby
@FarmerJayhawk Hey you seem to be the only poster standing up for Grimes. I don’t know any better, so no clue, but why the positive tone when most others are down on him?
Really two things, first it’s faith in Lance. I don’t think he would hire someone who flat wasn’t any good. Honestly all of his assistant hires (on and off the field) so far have been really good. Second, it’s just Grimes’s record. 2 time Broyles finalist, shoot even made Zach Wilson look great. One off night does not make a bad coach. JD hits a couple throws that he should’ve and we’re talking hey love the aggressiveness/let Jalon cook
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Let’s talk Illinois:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in Let’s talk Illinois:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Let’s talk Illinois:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in Let’s talk Illinois:
@kjayhawks said in Let’s talk Illinois:
@rockchalkjayhawk Grimes has been ran out of town every he has been for pretty much the same thing we saw last night. Lack of common knowledge of the game.
Hmm, why the hell did we hire him? Best available?
Our #1 choice had leukemia and Grimes was the best available. 2 time Broyles finalist, not too shabby
@FarmerJayhawk Hey you seem to be the only poster standing up for Grimes. I don’t know any better, so no clue, but why the positive tone when most others are down on him?
Really two things, first it’s faith in Lance. I don’t think he would hire someone who flat wasn’t any good. Honestly all of his assistant hires (on and off the field) so far have been really good. Second, it’s just Grimes’s record. 2 time Broyles finalist, shoot even made Zach Wilson look great. One off night does not make a bad coach. JD hits a couple throws that he should’ve and we’re talking hey love the aggressiveness/let Jalon cook
Fingers crossed your faith and Lance’s faith prove undebatable on the field!
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@Crimsonorblue22 Don’t get hyped about KU football?
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@nuleafjhawk I think we’ll learn from our mistakes. Besides I watched at my son’s house, 1st bad luck thing, and the neighbors were outside and came in to watch some, 2nd bad thing, last time both these things plus their dog happened, we lost a bb game. Chaos! Crims wasn’t happy! I was trying to break the jinx of watching away from my house. You can imagine my face when I saw the neighbors, I knew he’d invite them in. 0-2
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Worried this is a 2008 type season. All the expectations, but some changes and challenges that haven’t been overcome yet. There is still time but that was not supposed to be our first real test. Even still, we failed it.
Some positives are the defense is continuing to show improvement even from last year. That run D was SOLID and the pass D would have been solid statistically without some pretty spectacular catches. The D did the job. Would never have thought the offense would be the issue at this point…
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I don’t think anyone has lost faith in Lance at this point. JD doesn’t look like the same kid that threw for 500 plus yards vs Arkansas in the bowl game. I think we need to give him more time but we can’t afford him to throw away this season trying to get there. If he has another game full of turnovers, we have to go elsewhere at the QB position. Grimes has to call plays to help build JD back up and use our very talented trio of running backs. That flat out has not happened the first two games.
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@benshawks08 think maybe you mean 2009. Yes I’m very pleased with the defense thus far and there is just too much talent in the is offense to only put 17 on the board.
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@benshawks08 said in Let’s talk Illinois:
Worried this is a 2008 type season. All the expectations, but some changes and challenges that haven’t been overcome yet. There is still time but that was not supposed to be our first real test. Even still, we failed it.
Some positives are the defense is continuing to show improvement even from last year. That run D was SOLID and the pass D would have been solid statistically without some pretty spectacular catches. The D did the job. Would never have thought the offense would be the issue at this point…
2008-2009. The orange bowl was in 2008 but in my head that is the 2007 season. I see how that might be the wrong way to think of it.
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@Crimsonorblue22 Man that’s a lot of things to keep track of to make sure we don’t jinx the Jayhawks.
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I thought commentators were very biased towards IL, seemed like they had money
on line for IL to win. Yes IL was the underdog but still it was very annoying.Hope Fox can get better ones who are non-biased towards any particular team.
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Let’s talk Illinois:
Lessons learned?
I think there are many problems. Some can’t really be fixed and have been there for awhile with JD6. AK was soooo good at scheming guys open, we are feeling that loss. Some stuff can be fixed, like running the ball more.
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@AsadZ said in Let’s talk Illinois:
I thought commentators were very biased towards IL, seemed like they had money
on line for IL to win. Yes IL was the underdog but still it was very annoying.Hope Fox can get better ones who are non-biased towards any particular team.
your going to have that no matter who you play and or what teams are playing. your NEVER going to keep everyone happy.
