Zigging the Zags
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A stat I hate is Self continues to struggle miserably in second games of the weekend. We have gone home now 4 of the past 5 tournaments in the round of 32. I know he has a losing record in the elite 8 but this round can’t be much over .500 at this point.
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@jayballer67 thanks for the “normally” part.
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@kuballin10 You’re totally right man. Seeds really dont show any kind of consistency… If only you were on the staff! Man. That’d be something. Hey, Kentucky may have openings soon, you could probably lead them to more consistent success!
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A huge sigh of relief… it’s over!
I believe this ended up being Self’s worst year and will be for his Kansas career. Now on to brighter pastures!
NCAA behind us… Recruit! Recruit! Recruit!
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@drgnslayr Bill needs to get to work and get some guys in the door here.
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@FarmerJayhawk Rough day. Hopefully UNC turns it around
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@KirkIsMyHinrich oof yeah this isn’t fun
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@FarmerJayhawk sorry but go Spartans
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Jeez, I watched the first half and felt confident. I look up in the second half and wtf happened? The D got worse I presume. Yikes.
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@rockchalkjayhawk in all fairness the d was much of the same. They actually scored less in the second half we just couldn’t hit shots to save our lives.
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Yea, I was afraid our lights out shooting would cool off. They looked very beatable too. Eff.
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@rockchalkjayhawk yes when you look at the stats their 2 point shooting was the difference. We actually made more 3s and only had 6 less rebounds shooting literally half of what they did. We had a ton of good looks as well. Wide open 3s and layups. It’s the same game as the first half if we make those.
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Wellp, looking forward to see how we reload. Hope we keep Furphy.
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Also, feel free to root for my alma mater JMU with me against Duke if you need a surrogate.
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in Zigging the Zags:
Jeez, I watched the first half and felt confident. I look up in the second half and wtf happened? The D got worse I presume. Yikes.
Ran out of gas. Playing a very fast pace with the starters a full 40 minutes on Thursday to playing a very fast pace the first half today at elevation with essentially 6 players and the second half, they were missing stuff short and moving slower so they just ran out of gas. You could also see it coming in the 1st half too towards the end with Gonzaga getting a bunch of easy looks at the rim.
Even aside for the skill perspective, having playable depth next season has to be the top priority in recruiting.
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@approxinfinity I always cheer for the underdogs when aren’t aren’t playing
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in short, we shot exceptionally well in the first half and exceptionally poorly in the second half.
Gonzaga shot consistently well throughout the game.
Shame on our defense. But even with great D, not sure we could win given our abysmal shooting.
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@approxinfinity But it feels weird to root for the “Dukes.” As if Duke multiplied and made even more people miserable.
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@approxinfinity said in Zigging the Zags:
Wellp, looking forward to see how we reload. Hope we keep Furphy.
It will be massive redo. - – -Timberlake is gone, - -I think Furphy is 50/50 - -although as we saw he is not ready – Kevin - -gone , Braun is gone- - -Not sure about Mcdowell – looking like maybe 6-7 out. We need SHOOTER - - SHOOT - -SHOOT -SHOOT
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Zigging the Zags:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in Zigging the Zags:
Jeez, I watched the first half and felt confident. I look up in the second half and wtf happened? The D got worse I presume. Yikes.
Ran out of gas. Playing a very fast pace with the starters a full 40 minutes on Thursday to playing a very fast pace the first half today at elevation with essentially 6 players and the second half, they were missing stuff short and moving slower so they just ran out of gas. You could also see it coming in the 1st half too towards the end with Gonzaga getting a bunch of easy looks at the rim.
Even aside for the skill perspective, having playable depth next season has to be the top priority in recruiting.
That’s what I was saying in the 2nd hlf. - -Few’s halftime speech - - RUN , RUN , RUN , push the Pace Ku had nothing left to give way to easy. As you said no legs- nothing they were done
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@approxinfinity Wow, didn’t know you were a JMU grad! Congrats, yes of course we’re all Dukes now.
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Thanks, I agree that the team is quite physical, but that seems to be rewarded in the tournament, and combined with relentless depth it can dictate the terms of the game, like what VCU did to us, or what VCU did to Duke when they had Eric Maynor.
It should be a lot more fun watching Duke get beat up than KU or Wisconsin.
Give Filipowski something to really cry about!
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@approxinfinity I’m just surprised you graduated
jk no malice
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@kjayhawks that makes two of us
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@approxinfinity said in Zigging the Zags:
Thanks, I agree that the team is quite physical, but that seems to be rewarded in the tournament, and combined with relentless depth it can dictate the terms of the game, like what VCU did to us, or what VCU did to Duke when they had Eric Maynor.
It should be a lot more fun watching Duke get beat up than KU or Wisconsin.
Give Filipowski something to really cry about!
Filipowski just anothr in a long line of dirty players from Duke -Led By Grayson Allen
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@jayballer67 Nah, Grayson was never a leader. He just was an enthusiastic late enrollee in the Laettner School of Bad Sportsmanship.
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@mayjay yes, Allen’s chapter in Coach K’s book of cheating is “How to Cheat While Lying Down on the Court”
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Memoirs Of A Cheater: Another Trip Around The Rim
By Grayson Allen
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Which schools in our league do u think teach flopping? I think, ksu, Baylor, isu and Houston. Maybe TT. I haven’t seen enough of our new schools to tell. Biggest pet peeve is jumping into the D when they r shooting.
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@Crimsonorblue22 You need to add Kansas to the list. This season was the biggest flop ever.
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@nuleafjhawk not taught though
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IMHO, schools are teaching a defensive plan of “hack, grab and push” because refs can’t (or won’t) call all of them fouls. Witnes the first half of the last Houston game with over 20 fouls then not many in the second half. Also, the crud that HD had to put up with inside. The players are good enough to play better defense without all the major physicality. It takes away from the game for me. I know KU does some of it but not like what I saw with Houston, BYU, etc.
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@Gorilla72 said in Zigging the Zags:
IMHO, schools are teaching a defensive plan of “hack, grab and push” because refs can’t (or won’t) call all of them fouls. Witnes the first half of the last Houston game with over 20 fouls then not many in the second half. Also, the crud that HD had to put up with inside. The players are good enough to play better defense without all the major physicality. It takes away from the game for me. I know KU does some of it but not like what I saw with Houston, BYU, etc.
Let me just say and nothing personal bud, but as a former referee myself let me ask you this. I can tell you that IF the fans wanted the refs could called SOMETHING every single time down the floor , if that’s what you want - - - is that the type of game you want to watch ? -A foul or some kind of violation every trip up and down the floor ? -Cause they could do that.
IF they was to do that , then you would have just as many people bitching about it being called that way and complaining about , dam let them play. - -It is really hard for teams to get ANY kind of Rythm , flow to the game if that were to happen.
Now Idealistically in the " Perfect Game " - you would never even know the refs are there - - -BUT that’s not happening. With the physicality of today’s games and athletes just not happening. - -If you let them play , call it loose then sooner then later - - -somebody gonna get hurt, possibly bad. - -Yet if you call it close then you have John Q Public bitching about letting them play , a no win situation.
When I was officiating - -when we talked with the Captains before tip , we would always tell them move your feet, don’t reach , flop or hold - -you all know the game. You do these things - -it’s going to get called. -Genral rule, it’s a lot better/easier to call it close at the beginning of a game instead of letting it go most of the game and then try to tighten things up in the end of a game. You tell them in the beginning they already know - -you do that it’s getting called - -they won’t or at least 3/4 of the time don’t if they know HOW it’s being called.
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@jayballer67 - My point is that coaches are teaching this sort of defense. Not blaming the refs at all.
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@Gorilla72 isu too
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@Gorilla72 that was my question, do they coach them to flop? Shead jumps into the D on his shot. Isu does it a lot.
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My pet peeve?
I mentioned that a few years ago where I was talking about the frustration from almost 50 years ago in one game where Herb Nobles ('75-'77) committed 5 fouls. Every one in the act of shooting a made basket, and every one with a made FT resulting in a 3-point play. If you are going to foul, at least make them miss!
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Btw @kjayhawks i think you posted a vid of the screaming guy talking about Bill Self. While i agree that our d sucked against the Zags, the other screamer guy vid was about Calipari, and Kentucky finished with an AdjD for the season of 111th, Kansas was 17th. Big difference. I dont hang this one on Self’s Xs and Os. Our AdjO was 67th and we couldnt shoot for shit.
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This was KU’s worst record/season since 1989. There were only 2 big12 teams with records better than KU this season. We are so fortunate to enjoy this era of KU basketball.
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@approxinfinity I posted that to mess with Ballin. I think our defense was solid first half of the year, just fell apart later stages for some reason. Some of it was Kevin vs Timberlake defensively, that didn’t work well lol.
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Dodged the dead weight of adding a basketball only school (like KU!) to the Big12. Is the new Pac12 even a step up?
