Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU
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Does he start?
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I don’t see him starting unless we start 4 guards and I don’t see that happening. I think self will start lightfoot. Thompson, garret, ochai will be the guards and McCormick the center
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Not sure who starts but I think we play 4 smalls most of the time. Really we don’t have two bigs capable of playing starter minutes unless Silvio figures out how to basketball.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:
Not sure who starts but I think we play 4 smalls most of the time. Really we don’t have two bigs capable of playing starter minutes unless Silvio figures out how to basketball.
Yeah and then the entire math changes if you want to go two bigs because you need capable back-ups as well.
Just look at 2008. Sasha was the third big and got over 700 minutes. Cole in a reserve role got over 300 minutes and about 8 a game (appearing in every game, too). I look at next years roster and I don’t see how you make something like that work. Two bigs just can’t happen.
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I don’t think two bigs will be a big part of the plan, but I’ll bet Mitch plays the 4 next to Dave several minutes a game…assuming there’s basketball next season.
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My guess right now for starters next season (assuming Dotson leaves) is Thompson, Garrett, Agbaji, Braun, Dave. TGF is obviously going to play next season based on that statement from Townsend. Does anyone think he’ll start ahead of Braun or any of the other projected starters?
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@dylans said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:
I don’t think two bigs will be a big part of the plan, but I’ll bet Mitch plays the 4 next to Dave several minutes a game…assuming there’s basketball next season.
I’m thinking there will be. The worst is still coming, but we should be on the downtick by then…
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We will see what self does. I think we play 2 big guys only with lightfoot in and the rest of the time play 4 guards. It really just comes down to if lightfoot becomes a starter or not
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I’m anxious to see lt🦶 Play.
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@jayhawks2010 - I agree, Lightfoot will play a minimum of 15 -20 minutes if only for defense & rim protection. Depending on his offensive improvement I’m hoping it’s over 25 minutes. McCormack is not a great defensive center, we will need the combo of Lightfoot and McCormack to be competitive.
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@KUJayhawks67 still worry about big Dave’s fouls!
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When I look at Mitch’s per 40 numbers I find it hard to believe he is suddenly going to produce on offense.
@Crimsonorblue22 looking at them in a whole, his fouls actually aren’t that big of an issue. Of course it’s easy to remember the absurd moments because they stick out.
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I’m not expecting a lot from Mitch but if he can efficiently make 1-2 (3’s) per game and make the defense guard him they can play both the High-Low and the 4 Out offense with him on the floor. The key is to bring his defense to the floor without being a liability on Offense.
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@BShark said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:
When I look at Mitch’s per 40 numbers I find it hard to believe he is suddenly going to produce on offense.
@Crimsonorblue22 looking at them in a whole, his fouls actually aren’t that big of an issue. Of course it’s easy to remember the absurd moments because they stick out.
While looking at Mitch’s numbers , you also have to realize those minutes are going to go up - -he numbers will be going up. I’m look some where about 8 points per game. - I’m sure during his Red shirt Mitch has put in time on his outside shooting and such I think he will be fine - nothing monsterous but don’t think he will need to be. & again wit the rim protection he brings will be good to go.
The thing with Mitch and find it pretty incredible actually, is how many times he might have got beaten on the defensive end and yet been able to recover and slap the ball away in time, pretty fast recovery time. I like Mitch a lot because another typical case of a kid that’s not afraid to do the dirty work , get on the floor for loose balls - - take the charge whatever is needed - -I love those types of kids.
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@jayballer73 per 40 numbers are what his numbers extrapolate to if he were to play all 40 minutes a game. He is below average on offense which is a concern but is an elite shot blocker and good team defender.
I think he has a role but it is one best served playing 10-15 minutes a game.
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@KirkIsMyHinrich I think he will.
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@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:
My guess right now for starters next season (assuming Dotson leaves) is Thompson, Garrett, Agbaji, Braun, Dave. TGF is obviously going to play next season based on that statement from Townsend. Does anyone think he’ll start ahead of Braun or any of the other projected starters?
You know me, all in on Braun. Question though, could he perhaps supplant Agbaji? Probably not. I know that coach doesn’t like to bench starters.
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Impressive tape.
He is the wildcard to next years team offensively. You add that type of size, athleticism, shooting & skill and he has a great chance to impact the team despite his JUCO label. He has skills that translate no matter where he’s playing. The rebounding, ball handling skills & rim protection were some things I hadn’t seen in his other film or live games. Definitely a talent.
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@BeddieKU23 said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:
Impressive tape.
He is the wildcard to next years team offensively. You add that type of size, athleticism, shooting & skill and he has a great chance to impact the team despite his JUCO label. He has skills that translate no matter where he’s playing. The rebounding, ball handling skills & rim protection were some things I hadn’t seen in his other film or live games. Definitely a talent.
I like his ability to get to the hoop. Whew.
But as you mentioned the stuff near the end of the video is why he will get playing time imo. Flying in for blocks and aggressively fighting for rebounds. If that is consistent he will find the floor.
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Yeah the play-making ability was much improved and some clean handles will get him playing time here. There is a definite scoring role he can take on next to some of these guys.
Honestly his tape was of a High 4-Star type kid. If he defends and meshes with the hard nosed chemistry of this team he’ll have a big role here.
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@BShark I think he could be the 6th man on next years team. They have a chance to be much improved offensively. Probably a push in the rebounding but defensive will be a question mark.
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With his size and length I could see him starting at the 4 by the end of the year in a Josh Jackson type role. He’s not Josh, but is similar stylistically.
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People should also realize he only played 24 minutes a game this year. Indian Hills used a platoon style a lot.
Kid averaged 16ppg, 6.5 Reb, 1 stl, 1.6 ast, 1.5 blk playing Isiah Moss minutes comparably. Got to the line 151 times. Intriguing kid to say the least
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This certainly has the making of a Frank/Devonte rise from nothin. From Juco to KU star?? Not impossible
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@BeddieKU23 could happen. Like you said IHCC plays more platoon style. We know Bill is the opposite lately and will play his best guys heavy minutes.
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As I said before, I saw this kid play as a junior in HS. At the time, he was between 6-2 and 6-3. He had the makings of a good jumpshot, was a very capable HS defender (could defend anyone on the floor at the HS level, except the biggest post players). At the time he was not being recruited very heavily, but in my eye he was a clear D1 player.
He had two areas he had to improve on. One was ball handling. He was strictly a jumpshooter. If his shot wasn’t falling, he was fairly easy to neutralize, even though he was a superior athlete. The second was approach. He was simply too young at the time to understand how to consistently attack opponents and understand what opposing coaches were trying to do to take him out of his game.
I’ll cut right to the chase. He has done both, and has grown 4 inches to boot.
And the thing about him that will separate him from a lot of other guys is the fact that he didn’t become this kind of player at 14 or 15, where he has known his whole life that he would be playing at the D1 level. He earned every single second of time in HS, at JUCO and now the chance to play at KU. The reason Tyon Grant Foster is coming to KU is because he worked his tail off for the last three years. The reason he played at JUCO is because he worked his tail off.
My experience with guys that had to work that hard to get anywhere is that once they get there, they keep working because it was never promised to them in the first place. And he’s a Kansas kid on top of that.
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@justanotherfan I like that
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https://open.spotify.com/episode/7zioI8Mo2R1LGBo9ZQuozt?si=tTZcgHzKR9OHfil4gjZZuw
Plona starts talking about Tyon at around 57 minutes. Lines up with what @justanotherfan mentioned on Tyon.
Lots of good stuff about JUCO ball in general, lots of stigmas they have to try and break as @Crimsonorblue22 knows.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:
With his size and length I could see him starting at the 4 by the end of the year in a Josh Jackson type role. He’s not Josh, but is similar stylistically.
I could see that too. Think that he will. So, with who we have coming in not only this but also next season how long will it be before Wilson transfers?
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@BShark said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:
@BeddieKU23 could happen. Like you said IHCC plays more platoon style. We know Bill is the opposite lately and will play his best guys heavy minutes.
Though, and for good reason, he is saying that he’ll play more guys this year. We are so deep with wings it isn’t even funny. Similar to the Duke team that Butler that year?
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@Marco said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:
@BShark said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:
@BeddieKU23 could happen. Like you said IHCC plays more platoon style. We know Bill is the opposite lately and will play his best guys heavy minutes.
Though, and for good reason, he is saying that he’ll play more guys this year. We are so deep with wings it isn’t even funny. Similar to the Duke team that Butler that year?
Bill says that every year and every year he ends up with a 7-8 man rotation by the time conference starts.
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How many minutes does someone need to play to be considered part of the rotation? If we put it at 300 then here is the breakdown (team listed, then number of players over the 300 minute threshold).
05-06 9
07-08 9
10-11 10
14-15 9 (almost 10 but a weird situation where we had to quit playing Cliff)
15-16 9
18-19 10 (Vick being kicked off the team jumped this from 9 to 10, so really it is 9)
Any team not listed was 8 or less.
I feel like 300 is around the right mark, typically the players in that range appeared most if not all games.
So 6 out of 17 years and two of those times there were pretty extenuating circumstances.
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@Marco said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:
With his size and length I could see him starting at the 4 by the end of the year in a Josh Jackson type role. He’s not Josh, but is similar stylistically.
I could see that too. Think that he will. So, with who we have coming in not only this but also next season how long will it be before Wilson transfers?
Wilson isn’t going anywhere, I think some believe he will be very limited - -I however feel he is going to be a guy that see’s at least 10 minutes per game
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@BShark cool!
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I don’t think Self is predictable like he used to be… and that is a great thing! He has opened his mind and changed his philosophy to deal with the players he has, and for the most part, tries to give minutes to players that belong on the floor, regardless of where they fit in a traditional cubbyhole approach. By watching Self shift over to attempt to play to his strengths (on the team) he has really kept me closer to Kansas basketball. You can’t nap on this coach like perhaps you used to be able to do.
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Body wise he looks like our most likely NBA player on the current roster. It would be wise to try and work him into the regular rotation. He has a pro career somewhere, for sure.
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His favorite thing is blocking shots!
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Nice to see him step up. First game he has started to look comfortable
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Wasn’t he dealing with any injury for most of the summer, early fall. This could explain the lag?
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He had an ankle injury I believe in preseason so yeah he was definitely behind and not at full speed
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He settled in!
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That’s the 2nd game this season Tyon has had a large impact on the final score.
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This was a great game for him. He had 1 or 2 horrible passes but overall he did great! I wonder what he did in practice to be sidelined for the last few games.
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The same game that Bryce broke his finger, Self reported Tyon had a shoulder issue.
In the previous however many games, Tyon comes in the game and jacks up outside jumpers that haven’t pissed in an ocean. Yesterday you saw him for the most part pump faking for a drive or making the extra pass. Seems like he was told to lay off the broken jumper. He shows glimpses- rebounds/rim protection & athletic drives that this lineup desperately needs. Post game it sounds like his practice habits have improved. His PT is one to monitor as Wilson & Enaruna gave a fat zero yesterday
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Amazing how many offensive throw boards we got. 3? Tyon helped there a lot
