Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19
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@DoubleDD You are just automatically attacking based on Ds and Rs. I don’t like Biden, I’ve been clear about that on this forum even.
Never said Trump is shouldering all the blame either. China had a hand in it, so did Bill Gates, that Harvard professor etc… But to act like Trump is free and clear? No he has cost American lives in his handling of this. I’d say the same thing no matter the letter next to the president’s name.
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You want to show me that you’re fair and balanced on this website? I was just called a homophobe by @Crimsonorblue22. Are you going to correct or not?
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This conversation had nothing to do about being a Homophobe
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@DoubleDD I never ever voted or said I voted for trump! I’ve been a republican all my life till after trump, I switched. You were probably drunk
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD I never ever voted or said I voted for trump! I’ve been a republican all my life till after trump, I switched. You were probably drunk
Oh I’m not dropping this. Why did you call me a homophobe?
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
You want to show me that you’re fair and balanced on this website? I was just called a homophobe by @Crimsonorblue22. Are you going to correct or not?
What do you want me to do? I’m a regular user same as you. If you have a strong complaint maybe take it up with approx? But I’d like to think we could self police and all just cut that out.
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Is this not a fair website or not? I was just called a homophobe and this had nothing to do with the conversation. @BShark are you a facilitator of this website?
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I am more than willing to debate all topics and admit when I’m wrong. Yet don’t call me names when it has nothing to do with the damn topic
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Absolutely not.
@approxinfinity runs the site.
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@BShark said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Absolutely not.
@approxinfinity runs the site.
Okay bubba my bad. Thought you was.
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I just post too much.
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@BShark back to a more civil conversation. Can Trump be blamed for dropping the ball. Of course. Yet that is arm chair QB stuff. The important thing is where are we at now? There will be a time of judgment when we beat this virus. China being at the top of the list.
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@DoubleDD Agree!
Also in case you missed this: https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/28/politics/harvard-professor-chinese-nationals-arrest-espionage/index.html
Lots of blame to go around with this. I think some things were deliberate but that’s for another time and thread.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 There’s a difference between being united and having blind faith. Voicing frustration does not mean we aren’t united. You proved how to do that yourself. You voiced your problem with what someone said while maintaining your connection through basketball. Unity is good but doesn’t absolve someone from bad leadership.
Bad leadership? Says who ? You. When did you become an expert on leadership? I mean your boy Obama and the Biben team did a worse job on H1N1.
I don’t know, how about the American citizens join forces And keep a virus at bay. But no let’s play politics.
Absolutely amazing that you advocate not “playing politics” in a post where you use the classic what about Obama tactic.
Shutting down flights from China was a good move. But can you honestly everything sense then has been “perfect,” “10/10”? Yesterday he put recommendations for an unproven medication combination to treat the virus causing a run on essential medication for people with Lupis. He’s taken every opportunity to “play politics” and bash Biden whenever he has a chance. Just blind worship from you on trump at this point.
You bring up transgender people for no reason at all and then whine and complain that this isn’t a safe place for you and it’s not “fair and balanced” (wonder where you got that one…). Whose the real snowflake here? This had been a pretty civil thread until you took it off the rails. Most of us aren’t actually talking republican vs dem but you choose to see it that way. Look above for praise all around for a variety of republican governors from myself and others. So who is really “playing politics?”
Also, interesting you don’t protest the racist and sexist accusations. If you don’t like being labeled such things, maybe don’t spew hateful rhetoric.
If you want to see what real thoughtful debate and disagreement looks like, check out @FarmerJayhawk. A real pro at disagreeing with someone, providing true support for an argument, and never making it or taking it personal. No point trying that with you in your current state.
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@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 There’s a difference between being united and having blind faith. Voicing frustration does not mean we aren’t united. You proved how to do that yourself. You voiced your problem with what someone said while maintaining your connection through basketball. Unity is good but doesn’t absolve someone from bad leadership.
Pretty good game on Cbs right now! Rock chalk.
ROCK CHALK IS RIGHT. SEE? were United there and for sure not blind faith lol
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@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 There’s a difference between being united and having blind faith. Voicing frustration does not mean we aren’t united. You proved how to do that yourself. You voiced your problem with what someone said while maintaining your connection through basketball. Unity is good but doesn’t absolve someone from bad leadership.
Bad leadership? Says who ? You. When did you become an expert on leadership? I mean your boy Obama and the Biben team did a worse job on H1N1.
I don’t know, how about the American citizens join forces And keep a virus at bay. But no let’s play politics.
Absolutely amazing that you advocate not “playing politics” in a post where you use the classic what about Obama tactic.
Shitting down flights from China was a good move. But can you honestly everything sense then has been “perfect,” “10/10”? Yesterday he put recommendations for an unproven medication combination to treat the virus causing a run on essential medication for people with Lupis. He’s taken every opportunity to “play politics” and bash Biden whenever he has a chance. Just blind worship from you on trump at this point.
You bring up transgender people for no reason at all and then whine and complain that this isn’t a safe place for you and it’s not “fair and balanced” (wonder where you got that one…). Whose the real snowflake here? This had been a pretty civil thread until you took it off the rails. Most of us aren’t actually talking republican vs dem but you choose to see it that way. Look above for praise all around for a variety of republican governors from myself and others. So who is really “playing politics?”
Also, interesting you don’t protest the racist and sexist accusations. If you don’t like being labeled such things, maybe don’t spew hateful rhetoric.
If you want to see what real thoughtful debate and disagreement looks like, check out @FarmerJayhawk. A real pro at disagreeing with someone, providing true support for an argument, and never making it or taking it personal. No point trying that with you in your current state.
My friend if you think trump is playing politics? I don’t know what To say? We all know Trump (ego problem). Yet what president has done better in handling this coronavirus? I mean how many Americans died before Obama declared a national problem?
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@DoubleDD Moon Jae-in
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@jayballer73 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 There’s a difference between being united and having blind faith. Voicing frustration does not mean we aren’t united. You proved how to do that yourself. You voiced your problem with what someone said while maintaining your connection through basketball. Unity is good but doesn’t absolve someone from bad leadership.
Pretty good game on Cbs right now! Rock chalk.
ROCK CHALK IS RIGHT. SEE? were United there and for sure not blind faith lol
Who is asking for blind faith. But hope? Why not? No let’s tell every American you screwed. Then let’s see what happens? You have guns? Because you’ll need them if you you say that to the American people.
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@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD Moon Jae-in
I’m not a educated as you. You’ll have to explain.
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@DoubleDD President of South Korea. Has done a better job handling the coronavirus.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 There’s a difference between being united and having blind faith. Voicing frustration does not mean we aren’t united. You proved how to do that yourself. You voiced your problem with what someone said while maintaining your connection through basketball. Unity is good but doesn’t absolve someone from bad leadership.
Pretty good game on Cbs right now! Rock chalk.
ROCK CHALK IS RIGHT. SEE? were United there and for sure not blind faith lol
Who is asking for blind faith. But hope? Why not? No let’s tell every American you screwed. Then let’s see what happens? You have guns? Because you’ll need them if you you say that to the American people.
no if you look I was taling about not having to have blind faith to realize that the game he mentioned being played on CBS . Don’t need blind faith OR hope to know KU was really good in 2008
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 There’s a difference between being united and having blind faith. Voicing frustration does not mean we aren’t united. You proved how to do that yourself. You voiced your problem with what someone said while maintaining your connection through basketball. Unity is good but doesn’t absolve someone from bad leadership.
Pretty good game on Cbs right now! Rock chalk.
ROCK CHALK IS RIGHT. SEE? were United there and for sure not blind faith lol
Who is asking for blind faith. But hope? Why not? No let’s tell every American you screwed. Then let’s see what happens? You have guns? Because you’ll need them if you you say that to the American people.
Hope is good but doesn’t have to be fabricated or based on false numbers or lies. That’s my biggest problem. How can we believe anything Trump says at this point?
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@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD President of South Korea. Has done a better job handling the coronavirus.
So you are comparing a small state to the third largest population in the world? See the problem
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No.
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@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 There’s a difference between being united and having blind faith. Voicing frustration does not mean we aren’t united. You proved how to do that yourself. You voiced your problem with what someone said while maintaining your connection through basketball. Unity is good but doesn’t absolve someone from bad leadership.
Pretty good game on Cbs right now! Rock chalk.
ROCK CHALK IS RIGHT. SEE? were United there and for sure not blind faith lol
Who is asking for blind faith. But hope? Why not? No let’s tell every American you screwed. Then let’s see what happens? You have guns? Because you’ll need them if you you say that to the American people.
Hope is good but doesn’t have to be fabricated or based on false numbers or lies. That’s my biggest problem. How can we believe anything Trump says at this point?
The hope is coming from old tested science. Are we to reject science?
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD President of South Korea. Has done a better job handling the coronavirus.
So you are comparing a small state to the third largest population in the world? See the problem
How did that small state produce so many more tests than us? We still haven’t caught up to them in testing numbers.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 There’s a difference between being united and having blind faith. Voicing frustration does not mean we aren’t united. You proved how to do that yourself. You voiced your problem with what someone said while maintaining your connection through basketball. Unity is good but doesn’t absolve someone from bad leadership.
Pretty good game on Cbs right now! Rock chalk.
ROCK CHALK IS RIGHT. SEE? were United there and for sure not blind faith lol
Who is asking for blind faith. But hope? Why not? No let’s tell every American you screwed. Then let’s see what happens? You have guns? Because you’ll need them if you you say that to the American people.
Hope is good but doesn’t have to be fabricated or based on false numbers or lies. That’s my biggest problem. How can we believe anything Trump says at this point?
The hope is coming from old tested science. Are we to reject science?
What are you even talking about here?
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@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD President of South Korea. Has done a better job handling the coronavirus.
So you are comparing a small state to the third largest population in the world? See the problem
How did that small state produce so many more tests than us? We still haven’t caught up to them in testing numbers.
Good question I guess we can blame the whole world? Maybe they don’t have a fda
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@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 There’s a difference between being united and having blind faith. Voicing frustration does not mean we aren’t united. You proved how to do that yourself. You voiced your problem with what someone said while maintaining your connection through basketball. Unity is good but doesn’t absolve someone from bad leadership.
Pretty good game on Cbs right now! Rock chalk.
ROCK CHALK IS RIGHT. SEE? were United there and for sure not blind faith lol
Who is asking for blind faith. But hope? Why not? No let’s tell every American you screwed. Then let’s see what happens? You have guns? Because you’ll need them if you you say that to the American people.
Hope is good but doesn’t have to be fabricated or based on false numbers or lies. That’s my biggest problem. How can we believe anything Trump says at this point?
The hope is coming from old tested science. Are we to reject science?
What are you even talking about here?
Trump is hanging his hat on French scientists cure or curb of the coronavirus.
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@benshawks08 ty you for being civil. It’s really refreshing
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 There’s a difference between being united and having blind faith. Voicing frustration does not mean we aren’t united. You proved how to do that yourself. You voiced your problem with what someone said while maintaining your connection through basketball. Unity is good but doesn’t absolve someone from bad leadership.
Pretty good game on Cbs right now! Rock chalk.
ROCK CHALK IS RIGHT. SEE? were United there and for sure not blind faith lol
Who is asking for blind faith. But hope? Why not? No let’s tell every American you screwed. Then let’s see what happens? You have guns? Because you’ll need them if you you say that to the American people.
Hope is good but doesn’t have to be fabricated or based on false numbers or lies. That’s my biggest problem. How can we believe anything Trump says at this point?
The hope is coming from old tested science. Are we to reject science?
What are you even talking about here?
Trump is hanging his hat on French scientists cure or curb of the coronavirus.
Hadn’t heard about that. Have heard there’s a scientist in Singapore who has developed a yes that can tell if you’ve EVER had covid-19. Likely to be able to tell up to 20 years later if you ever got it. Not so helps right now but could be going forward as we try to track how this thing got so out of control.
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Good thread on how the FDA boned this from the start https://twitter.com/alecstapp/status/1241027712233410560?s=21
Also, thank you for the kind words @benshawks08!
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https://twitter.com/kenvogel/status/1241799566699233291?s=21
Both parties still pulling this crap. Just get it done!
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Take it with a grain of salt. But this is what Trump is hanging his hat on for now
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As far as I know
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@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
https://twitter.com/kenvogel/status/1241799566699233291?s=21
Both parties still pulling this crap. Just get it done!
I’d ever there was a time to cut the bs it is now.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@benshawks08 ty you for being civil. It’s really refreshing
Is this for real or ironic. Not trying to start stuff. Just really can’t tell! Civility isn’t always my strong suit.
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@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
https://twitter.com/kenvogel/status/1241799566699233291?s=21
Both parties still pulling this crap. Just get it done!
It’s insane. The Senate almost had a deal then Pelosi comes in all LEEEEEROY JEEEEENKINS and could nuke the whole thing.
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@FarmerJayhawk https://apple.news/AbfvdNF6xQBCVotvOwpqLNQ
Think it’s bad?
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Take it with a grain of salt. But this is what Trump is hanging his hat on for now
I saw this the other day, and holy moly is this study absolute garbage. Without getting too into the grimy details, essentially the study had no real randomization so it violates every single assumption we make in running RCT’s. It’s also seriously underpowered (n=36). The outcome is viral load, not whether the patients actually got better, so we don’t really know a whole lot beyond that. In about half the days of the study, control patients weren’t even tested for virus. That’s really bad. At best the study is useless, at worst leads us down a rabbit hole of pursuing treatments that may be really harmful to non-COVID patients (e.g. folks with Lupus who are treated this way).
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk https://apple.news/AbfvdNF6xQBCVotvOwpqLNQ
Think it’s bad?
It’s not good! It’ll take days for the House to draft and vote on its bill. Not time we have at the moment. This may be the cabin fever taking hold, but I like Bernie’s plan + the Senate plan for business: $2k/month for everyone as long as the pandemic is here and $1.5 trillion in forgivable loans to small businesses (forgiveness if they maintain payroll). Simple, quick, robust enough to avoid mass layoffs.
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Good thing no one is struggling financially in the mean time…
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@BShark probably are. I’m more concerned about the safety of the medical community. I can’t believe we are living in a world where we are sewing medical masks.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Take it with a grain of salt. But this is what Trump is hanging his hat on for now
I saw this the other day, and holy moly is this study absolute garbage. Without getting too into the grimy details, essentially the study had no real randomization so it violates every single assumption we make in running RCT’s. It’s also seriously underpowered (n=36). The outcome is viral load, not whether the patients actually got better, so we don’t really know a whole lot beyond that. In about half the days of the study, control patients weren’t even tested for virus. That’s really bad. At best the study is useless, at worst leads us down a rabbit hole of pursuing treatments that may be really harmful to non-COVID patients (e.g. folks with Lupus who are treated this way).
And so what would the great @FarmerJayhawk do? Lol Where Is your evidence that study is a Joke? I know how you like to throw around your opinion without Any evidence. Oh I forgot when the great @FarmerJayhawk says it’s crap it’s crap. Lmao
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk https://apple.news/AbfvdNF6xQBCVotvOwpqLNQ
Think it’s bad?
It’s not good! It’ll take days for the House to draft and vote on its bill. Not time we have at the moment. This may be the cabin fever taking hold, but I like Bernie’s plan + the Senate plan for business: $2k/month for everyone as long as the pandemic is here and $1.5 trillion in forgivable loans to small businesses (forgiveness if they maintain payroll). Simple, quick, robust enough to avoid mass layoffs.
Crap you know it and so do i
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See what @FarmerJayhawk isnt telling you. You need the house and the senate to pass a stimulus package. Yet it’s easier to blame Trump.
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This seems good.
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Great read @BShark
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It will be interesting to see where we are when this blows over. I’m trying to find an article that I read talking about the possibility of millions being jobless and starving by next winter.
