2020 Transfer List
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Defensive Rebound %: 7.9
Steal %: 1.7
Block %: 0.0
Defensive Rating: 103.5
Defense Box +/-: -2.7
In the Ivy
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@KirkIsMyHinrich said in 2020 Transfer List:
Why do we want Bryce Aiken again? He’s 6’0’’ and doesn’t play defense. He averages more turnovers than assists and doesn’t rebound. Career 34.7% from 3. He’s Charlie Moore with slightly better shooting and worse passing and rebounding.
Carton and Bruner seem decent but I don’t think either guy moves the needle that much for us.
He’s also hurt more than Udoka. Defense would definitely be an issue on a roster that will otherwise have all above average (at a minimum) defenders outside of Jalen Wilson. I think it boils down to how confident the staff is in Harris. If they think he can soak up minutes if needed, then I think we have enough actual guards (Garrett, Thompson, Harris).
Bruner it depends on Silvio I would think. I think Silvio stays but if he doesn’t we need another big.
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Watch some film on him. Report back
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Defensively you might have a point but he is wired to score. There is a reason he is being targeted by a lot of big programs
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@KirkIsMyHinrich said in 2020 Transfer List:
Why do we want Bryce Aiken again? He’s 6’0’’ and doesn’t play defense. He averages more turnovers than assists and doesn’t rebound. Career 34.7% from 3. He’s Charlie Moore with slightly better shooting and worse passing and rebounding.
Carton and Bruner seem decent but I don’t think either guy moves the needle that much for us.
Because he’s an elite scorer and shooter. 40% from 3 his last full season, 87% from the line. Assists would obviously go up because he’s surrounded by a lot better players. We need scoring on next year’s squad, and he’d be electric.
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Towns down to dook (ew) and Ohio St. It’ll be OSU.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in 2020 Transfer List:
Towns down to dook (ew) and Ohio St. It’ll be OSU.
That home town pull. tOSU is basically a cult.
RE your take on Aiken: could definitely use some scoring punch. If we are trading Jossell for him it’s a no brainer.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in 2020 Transfer List:
@KirkIsMyHinrich said in 2020 Transfer List:
Why do we want Bryce Aiken again? He’s 6’0’’ and doesn’t play defense. He averages more turnovers than assists and doesn’t rebound. Career 34.7% from 3. He’s Charlie Moore with slightly better shooting and worse passing and rebounding.
Carton and Bruner seem decent but I don’t think either guy moves the needle that much for us.
Because he’s an elite scorer and shooter. 40% from 3 his last full season, 87% from the line. Assists would obviously go up because he’s surrounded by a lot better players. We need scoring on next year’s squad, and he’d be electric.
Ya, I’m not buying that his assists are going to go up just because he’s surrounded by better players. Charlie Moore’s assist percentage at Cal (27.4) went way down when he came to Kansas (16.0) and then shot back up again when he transferred to DePaul (34.3). His assists might go up, but it’s not a given.
He might be an elite shooter, he’s not an elite scorer. His career average is 16.8 points with 40.6/34.7/85.3 shooting splits. Nobody who barely eclipses 40% shooting from the field in the ivy league is going to be an elite scorer in the B12. In his best season, he averaged 22.2 points with 43.4/39.8/85.5 shooting splits, and he attempted more than 15 field goals per game. That 39.8% from 3 is the best-case scenario, and he won’t get near the volume on Kansas that he did on Harvard.
So a guy whose only value to us would be shooting 3-pointers, might shoot 39.8% on low-volume while not doing much else and being a liability on defense. I think that ends up being a net negative for us. Like why even bother? Let’s just play the guys we have now. We have good players. If you want to give Aiken the 0 mpg that we were going to give Jossell next season then that’s fine I guess.
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@KirkIsMyHinrich said in 2020 Transfer List:
@FarmerJayhawk said in 2020 Transfer List:
@KirkIsMyHinrich said in 2020 Transfer List:
Why do we want Bryce Aiken again? He’s 6’0’’ and doesn’t play defense. He averages more turnovers than assists and doesn’t rebound. Career 34.7% from 3. He’s Charlie Moore with slightly better shooting and worse passing and rebounding.
Carton and Bruner seem decent but I don’t think either guy moves the needle that much for us.
Because he’s an elite scorer and shooter. 40% from 3 his last full season, 87% from the line. Assists would obviously go up because he’s surrounded by a lot better players. We need scoring on next year’s squad, and he’d be electric.
Ya, I’m not buying that his assists are going to go up just because he’s surrounded by better players. Charlie Moore’s assist percentage at Cal (27.4) went way down when he came to Kansas (16.0) and then shot back up again when he transferred to DePaul (34.3). His assists might go up, but it’s not a given.
He might be an elite shooter, he’s not an elite scorer. His career average is 16.8 points with 40.6/34.7/85.3 shooting splits. Nobody who barely eclipses 40% shooting from the field in the ivy league is going to be an elite scorer in the B12. In his best season, he averaged 22.2 points with 43.4/39.8/85.5 shooting splits, and he attempted more than 15 field goals per game. That 39.8% from 3 is the best-case scenario, and he won’t get near the volume on Kansas that he did on Harvard.
So a guy whose only value to us would be shooting 3-pointers, might shoot 39.8% on low-volume while not doing much else and being a liability on defense. I think that ends up being a net negative for us. Like why even bother? Let’s just play the guys we have now. We have good players. If you want to give Aiken the 0 mpg that we were going to give Jossell next season then that’s fine I gues
Well not sure but I think I could live with THAT 16.8 ppg for sure - that’s good enough for me for sure - -don’t give a rats ass about how ELITE that is - -don’t need ELITE got enough others to help with that. - - 39.8 from 3 works fine - just like Moss right at same range - since the moved the line back, your not finding a lot of players shooting a hell of a lot better for sure respectable enough to keep the defense honest. - I and I think quite a few others would be more then happy to take him. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@KirkIsMyHinrich said in 2020 Transfer List:
@FarmerJayhawk said in 2020 Transfer List:
@KirkIsMyHinrich said in 2020 Transfer List:
Why do we want Bryce Aiken again? He’s 6’0’’ and doesn’t play defense. He averages more turnovers than assists and doesn’t rebound. Career 34.7% from 3. He’s Charlie Moore with slightly better shooting and worse passing and rebounding.
Carton and Bruner seem decent but I don’t think either guy moves the needle that much for us.
Because he’s an elite scorer and shooter. 40% from 3 his last full season, 87% from the line. Assists would obviously go up because he’s surrounded by a lot better players. We need scoring on next year’s squad, and he’d be electric.
Ya, I’m not buying that his assists are going to go up just because he’s surrounded by better players. Charlie Moore’s assist percentage at Cal (27.4) went way down when he came to Kansas (16.0) and then shot back up again when he transferred to DePaul (34.3). His assists might go up, but it’s not a given.
He might be an elite shooter, he’s not an elite scorer. His career average is 16.8 points with 40.6/34.7/85.3 shooting splits. Nobody who barely eclipses 40% shooting from the field in the ivy league is going to be an elite scorer in the B12. In his best season, he averaged 22.2 points with 43.4/39.8/85.5 shooting splits, and he attempted more than 15 field goals per game. That 39.8% from 3 is the best-case scenario, and he won’t get near the volume on Kansas that he did on Harvard.
So a guy whose only value to us would be shooting 3-pointers, might shoot 39.8% on low-volume while not doing much else and being a liability on defense. I think that ends up being a net negative for us. Like why even bother? Let’s just play the guys we have now. We have good players. If you want to give Aiken the 0 mpg that we were going to give Jossell next season then that’s fine I guess.
Using career numbers is weird for Aiken because he’s really only been a full time starter for one year.
Aiken is a much better player than Moore. Last full season he was 8 points better from 3, 5 points better from 2, 6 better from the line. Ends up a 10 point difference in TS% on really high volume. I’ll take that every day. His TO% was less than Moore with much higher usage. All while defenses were keying on him every night. For a team that will struggle some on offense, why not add one of the best scorers out there? He’ll have a lower 2 point% just because he scores a lot off the bounce. He’ll get much better looks at KU.
I’m less worried about defense. Self is an elite defensive coach, and if he can get Isaiah Moss of all people to develop into a decent defender he can get Aiken to defend.
Shooting is like pitching in baseball. You think you have enough, add one more.
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The biggest issue with Aiken is he has never played a full season, ever.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in 2020 Transfer List:
@KirkIsMyHinrich said in 2020 Transfer List:
@FarmerJayhawk said in 2020 Transfer List:
@KirkIsMyHinrich said in 2020 Transfer List:
Why do we want Bryce Aiken again? He’s 6’0’’ and doesn’t play defense. He averages more turnovers than assists and doesn’t rebound. Career 34.7% from 3. He’s Charlie Moore with slightly better shooting and worse passing and rebounding.
Carton and Bruner seem decent but I don’t think either guy moves the needle that much for us.
Because he’s an elite scorer and shooter. 40% from 3 his last full season, 87% from the line. Assists would obviously go up because he’s surrounded by a lot better players. We need scoring on next year’s squad, and he’d be electric.
Ya, I’m not buying that his assists are going to go up just because he’s surrounded by better players. Charlie Moore’s assist percentage at Cal (27.4) went way down when he came to Kansas (16.0) and then shot back up again when he transferred to DePaul (34.3). His assists might go up, but it’s not a given.
He might be an elite shooter, he’s not an elite scorer. His career average is 16.8 points with 40.6/34.7/85.3 shooting splits. Nobody who barely eclipses 40% shooting from the field in the ivy league is going to be an elite scorer in the B12. In his best season, he averaged 22.2 points with 43.4/39.8/85.5 shooting splits, and he attempted more than 15 field goals per game. That 39.8% from 3 is the best-case scenario, and he won’t get near the volume on Kansas that he did on Harvard.
So a guy whose only value to us would be shooting 3-pointers, might shoot 39.8% on low-volume while not doing much else and being a liability on defense. I think that ends up being a net negative for us. Like why even bother? Let’s just play the guys we have now. We have good players. If you want to give Aiken the 0 mpg that we were going to give Jossell next season then that’s fine I guess.
Using career numbers is weird for Aiken because he’s really only been a full time starter for one year.
Aiken is a much better player than Moore. Last full season he was 8 points better from 3, 5 points better from 2, 6 better from the line. Ends up a 10 point difference in TS% on really high volume. I’ll take that every day. His TO% was less than Moore with much higher usage. All while defenses were keying on him every night. For a team that will struggle some on offense, why not add one of the best scorers out there? He’ll have a lower 2 point% just because he scores a lot off the bounce. He’ll get much better looks at KU.
I’m less worried about defense. Self is an elite defensive coach, and if he can get Isaiah Moss of all people to develop into a decent defender he can get Aiken to defend.
Shooting is like pitching in baseball. You think you have enough, add one more.
27.8 minutes and 11.4 field goal attempts per game as a freshman. 27.7 minutes and 10.9 field goal attempts per game as a sophomore. 32.8 minutes and 15.1 field goal attempts per game as a junior. 25.6 minutes and 12.1 field goal attempts last season. 23 games started as freshman/sophomore/last season, 17 games started as a junior. 1291 minutes played as a freshman/sophomore/last season, 591 minutes played as a junior. Why wouldn’t I use career stats? He’s played starters minutes every season at Harvard.
Aiken is a better scorer and shooter than Moore, I agree. He has a lower TOV% than Moore but he also has a lower AST% and STL%.
Aiken’s TS% is a lot better than Moore’s, but most players TS% is a lot better than Moore’s. Marcus Garrett has a higher TS% than Moore. Devon Dotson has a higher TS% than Aiken.
Overall there are just a lot of ifs. If Aiken shoots around 40% from 3, and if he can play defense, and if he can stay healthy… If he can do those things, and especially the first two, then I’d love to have him. I don’t think he can but I guess why not take a shot, right? What do we have to lose?
I’m a Colorado Rockies fan so pitching analogies do nothing for me.
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I think they are keeping interest warm looking for a guard that can shoot and be a play-maker. Self is looking at having Garrett & Harris at PG and neither one is a reliable shooter. Aiken is a shot maker from all over the court especially from the perimeter. That’s a different skill set that adds value to a team, the same way Moss added value to this years team.
I don’t think Aiken will end up at KU since Garrett is at PG and Thompson has a high probability of starting as a freshman. I’d imagine Aiken is looking for a place to start among his choices. He was a 4 star prospect out of high school and had Power 5 teams after him before going to Harvard. The only reason he’s transferring is because of Ivy league’s rules preventing him from playing another year. He was a beloved teammate and loved by his coach. He sounds like the right type of fit for a player Self wants in a transfer. If he did seriously consider KU I think you take him. He would add a competitive, experienced body to the rotation and he brings something to the table that is missing on the current roster. Otherwise Self will have to rely a lot on a freshman to make plays. Ochai hasn’t shown he’s a consistent enough player on offense. Braun showed great potential but was playing the “4” man primarily when he was on the floor. I can see why Self is looking for a play-maker.
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At least two players will be leaving Michigan.
They are expecting to land Josh Cristopher. Between him and Todd, Michigan is definitely investing in hoops.
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Tray Jackson transferring from Missouri. Interesting to see where he ends up, has potential.
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Alex O’Connell is leaving the brotherhood.
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@jayballer73 yes
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@BShark said in 2020 Transfer List:
Alex O’Connell is leaving the brotherhood.
I assumed they were going to have some transfers or someone leave early that they weren’t expecting. I’ve seen Duke listed with more transfers and grad transfers than ever before.
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I think with how CBB is constructed now your best bet to fill your roster is to leave 1 if not 2 spots open and fill them with grad and or regular transfers. There is a ton of talent out there to be had.
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@BShark said in 2020 Transfer List:
Alex O’Connell is leaving the brotherhood.
Good. Couldn’t stand him.
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@BShark said in 2020 Transfer List:
At least two players will be leaving Michigan.
They are expecting to land Josh Cristopher. Between him and Todd, Michigan is definitely investing in hoops.
$$vesting
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@BeddieKU23 do we like any duke brotherhood guys?🥴
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@Crimsonorblue22 no not really
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in 2020 Transfer List:
@BeddieKU23 do we like any duke brotherhood guys?🥴
good point.
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Tre Jones declared.
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Duke is gonna suck.
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@BShark said in 2020 Transfer List:
Duke is gonna suck.
Well we know their good at that - -just ask Grayson lol
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Seth Towns picked Ohio St
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14 games with 20+. Not an efficient scorer… Too many games with 1-11 type lines. 37% 3 point shooter in his career on 400 attempts
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Portal over 425. It’s still March
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@FarmerJayhawk @BeddieKU23 Looks like a better fit than Aiken to me.
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original post edited to include possible targets. please add others that KU is involved with
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@BShark said in 2020 Transfer List:
@FarmerJayhawk @BeddieKU23 Looks like a better fit than Aiken to me.
Bigger player, 6’4. Also dealt with injury last season. Some really big games, some really bad games. Not a high volume 3 pt shooter
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@BeddieKU23 said in 2020 Transfer List:
@BShark said in 2020 Transfer List:
@FarmerJayhawk @BeddieKU23 Looks like a better fit than Aiken to me.
Bigger player, 6’4. Also dealt with injury last season. Some really big games, some really bad games. Not a high volume 3 pt shooter
I like what I see here. We can always use more ball handling. The decline in FG% last year is concerning but he wouldn’t need to take as many guarded shots here. https://www.toledoblade.com/sports/bgsu/2019/05/29/justin-turner-bgsu-bowling-green-basketball-nba-draft-return/stories/20190529160
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@FarmerJayhawk said in 2020 Transfer List:
@BeddieKU23 said in 2020 Transfer List:
@BShark said in 2020 Transfer List:
@FarmerJayhawk @BeddieKU23 Looks like a better fit than Aiken to me.
Bigger player, 6’4. Also dealt with injury last season. Some really big games, some really bad games. Not a high volume 3 pt shooter
I like what I see here. We can always use more ball handling. The decline in FG% last year is concerning but he wouldn’t need to take as many guarded shots here. https://www.toledoblade.com/sports/bgsu/2019/05/29/justin-turner-bgsu-bowling-green-basketball-nba-draft-return/stories/20190529160
Sign us up now… hello
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I like his highlight reel. Looks like he could help KU next season. Bill might look at it and say 5 minutes of highlights and only one steal?!? Lol
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@BShark said in 2020 Transfer List:
@BeddieKU23 what is happening in Ames and Wichita???!
You got that right. Seems to be a fire sale going on.
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Didn’t make the top 15 for Marfo.
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@FarmerJayhawk lol top 15
Yeah I don’t think we add a post player. Just roll with what we have.
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@Marco said in 2020 Transfer List:
@BShark said in 2020 Transfer List:
@BeddieKU23 what is happening in Ames and Wichita???!
You got that right. Seems to be a fire sale going on.
Soooo who all is departing Ames?
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@FarmerJayhawk said in 2020 Transfer List:
Didn’t make the top 15 for Marfo.
Yikes, he’s really going to choose from 15 “strong a**” offers
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@BShark said in 2020 Transfer List:
@FarmerJayhawk lol top 15
Yeah I don’t think we add a post player. Just roll with what we have.
Bruner would be an intriguing big here…
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Turner, Bruner, or Aiken would be awesome if we needed a dude. https://watchstadium.com/top-20-college-basketball-transfers-who-can-play-in-2020-21-03-24-2020/
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@jayballer73 everyone, it seems.
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I don’t see why we would need another player at this point. We have a really good starting 5. With garret, Ochi, Thompson, lightfoot, McCormick. We will play 2 big guys with a true power forward in lightfoot and play some combination of 4 guards with all of our small forwards in braun, tristian, wilson, and the new highly ranked juco guard. You have another pg in Freshman Harris. Silvio will be the main big guy off the bench with the freshman big guy gethro possibly playing or redshirting. We don’t need some mid major guy playing ahead of higher upside guys. We saw what Braun can do, but the other small forwards have high upside and will impact the program long term not one year!
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Self just said he plans to play small majority of the time to take advantage of the roster full of perimeter players. Did mention that Mitch would give them the ability to play traditional if needed since he is more mobile then Dave/Silvio.
To get the best 5 of the floor its 4 guards and a big. I do think another impact guard or big would give this team a little something extra. Moss did that for this past years squad. The right fit absolutely adds value
