FBI...here we go
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Here is a summary of the prosecutor’s closing argument at the FBI trial; looks like the Government just cleared KU. If there was a future trial, the opening argument by KU’s lawyers would be to quote the closing argument bu the government prosecutors.
The government contends the three men victimized the universities by causing prospects whose families had received improper benefits to provide inaccurate information on NCAA certification forms.
"If the universities had known about the defendants’ secret payments, they never would have issued those scholarships, they never would have put themselves in harm’s way and risked NCAA penalties, fines and forfeiture of contests," Solowiejczyk said.
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@JayHawkFanToo You can see how dishonest the prosecution was here. They were just successful in keeping certain information out of evidence, thus they could craft their closing around the “evidence” at the trial (which, of course, they have to do).
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There was no verdict after day 1. Continues today…
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Ryan over on the Phog droppin dimes.
Preston was cleared academically, but never for his amateur status. Hence why the entire process was always an “appeal”, despite what PR the KU staff spun early on. There was a lot of confusion because the whole car wreck thing muddied the info, but Preston was ruled ineligible and KU was appealing the whole time in hopes of getting him cleared before the first game. It never happened, he moved on.
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The #HoopsTrial jury has begun day 2 of deliberations. Jurors have agreed to deliberate until 8:30p EDT tonight
https://twitter.com/PeteBrush/status/1054757517333532672
Sounds like the jurors are pretty set on getting this finalized before tomorrow…
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@Kcmatt7 Deliberating until 8:30 pm gets them a nice dinner.
I like a smart jury!
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mayjay said:
@Kcmatt7 Deliberating until 8:30 pm gets them a nice dinner.
I like a smart jury!
What’s a good dinner at these things? Filon Mignon or Burger King?
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@BeddieKU23 I don’t actually know. A lot of judges chew lawyers up, but they just spit 'em out.
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No verdict again today / tonight. The jury deliberated until 830 ( Eastern) then called it a night. They will meet back tomorrow and continue at 930 .
Most seem to think the longer this drags out the better it is for the defendants.
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So what do people think the effect if any on KU is if the verdict is guilty or not guilty… Is guilty better for KU does it matter?
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If not guilty, I’d think it would mean the NCAA lost almost all of its authority in a court of law. And KU will be the least of their problems. If guilty, KU and the NCAA keep up the farce that is college athletics.
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So sitting here thinking - - I know that’s scary lol anyways in this FBI trial I’m thinking we would want a Guilty verdict brought back on this right? - - -This would be the better scenario for us then not guilty right? - -Cause guilty would indicate that the Universities would be the victim - - -that’s what we need correct?
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@jayballer73 A not guilty verdict means that Adidas and Nike can basically just keep paying players and there is not a damn thing the NCAA can do about it.
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@jayballer73 So I guess what I’m trying to say is that I don’t think we will get anything but a slap on the wrist.
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@Woodrow @jayballer73 A guilty verdict might insulate our people from criminal prosecution by the feds. But the government theory of the case, regardless of whether the jury buys it, has no effect whatsoever on the NCAA bringing any case it wants to.
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I would guess there are two ways to look at it. While a guilty verdict might insulate somewhat the alleged aggrieved parties, it would also give the FBI impetus to follow up with other cases it has waiting and we would have a never ending process.
I would think the first case the FBI brought up was the one with the bests chance of success and a not guilty verdict would for all practical purpose send a message to the FBI…
…you overreached in this case, let the IRS handle the money changing angle and you cannot be the enforcer of NCAA rules; let it enforce it own rules and if financial redress is needed it can go to civil not criminal court for reparations.
I am not sure which one is the better outcome. I would lean towards the second insofar as it would likely end the investigation, the NCAA can generate a general, one time amnesty and things can go back to “normal.”
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@JayHawkFanToo Oh, I think the potential for a several-years-long pain in the tookus from this whole thing is a real possibility. I was just addressing collateral legal liability–the feds won’t want to undermine a conviction, but the NCAA is not bound by anything.
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mayjay said:
@Woodrow @jayballer73 A guilty verdict might insulate our people from criminal prosecution by the feds. But the government theory of the case, regardless of whether the jury buys it, has no effect whatsoever on the NCAA bringing any case it wants to.
Oh ok, see I get confused on which would help us the most. - -Thanks
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We have like 50 threads on this, but I’ll put this here…
Matt Tait @mctait
Self on trial’s impact on #KUbball team to date…
“This is something we have to deal with. Is it fun to deal with it? No. But we’ll be stronger when we get through it. And some of the best and most rewarding years (I’ve had) have come when we’ve had to go through some crap.”
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Huggins said he didn’t think it had been proven just yet that basketball programs were involved in the recruiting scandal but that, if it did happen, it was just a small number of schools involved.
“We’re talking, what, four or five schools at most?” he said, noting there are 361 teams in Division I basketball. “I think the state of our game is fine. If things happened, we all know they shouldn’t have happened, but that doesn’t affect that state of our game and the way people go about doing their business.”
What a blowhard Huggins is.
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I like Huggins. His radio interviews are gold.
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https://twitter.com/PeteBrush/status/1055162192365060096
Verdict reached. Will be read in 22 minutes.
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Self and Huggy are like best buds on the road. I just imagine those two eating at a Waffle House at two in the morning after going to the bars. Just shooting the shit.
But also I agree about his steamy take. If anyone thinks Bill Walker went to KSU for free, I have magic beans I can sell you.
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Kcmatt7 said:
Self and Huggy are like best buds on the road. I just imagine those two eating at a Waffle House at two in the morning after going to the bars. Just shooting the shit.
But also I agree about his steamy take. If anyone thinks Bill Walker went to KSU for free, I also have magic beans I can sell you.
UK/Cal really wanted Oscar Tshiebwe but he just went to WVU because he really likes Huggins okay??!!
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BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Self and Huggy are like best buds on the road. I just imagine those two eating at a Waffle House at two in the morning after going to the bars. Just shooting the shit.
But also I agree about his steamy take. If anyone thinks Bill Walker went to KSU for free, I also have magic beans I can sell you.
UK/Cal really wanted Oscar Tshiebwe but he just went to WVU because he really likes Huggins okay??!!
Nike probably was okay that he at least stayed in the brotherhood. But Oscar does come from the same school as Thugnate.
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BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Self and Huggy are like best buds on the road. I just imagine those two eating at a Waffle House at two in the morning after going to the bars. Just shooting the shit.
But also I agree about his steamy take. If anyone thinks Bill Walker went to KSU for free, I also have magic beans I can sell you.
UK/Cal really wanted Oscar Tshiebwe but he just went to WVU because he really likes Huggins okay??!!
Nike probably was okay that he at least stayed in the brotherhood. But Oscar does come from the same school as Thugnate.
WVU had a lot of connections to him. I have no doubt that someone took money, possible that Oscar didn’t see a dime of it though.
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I actually think Tshiebwe fits with Huggy really well and I’m almost pissed that’s where he went.
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Self and Huggy are like best buds on the road. I just imagine those two eating at a Waffle House at two in the morning after going to the bars. Just shooting the shit.
But also I agree about his steamy take. If anyone thinks Bill Walker went to KSU for free, I also have magic beans I can sell you.
UK/Cal really wanted Oscar Tshiebwe but he just went to WVU because he really likes Huggins okay??!!
Nike probably was okay that he at least stayed in the brotherhood. But Oscar does come from the same school as Thugnate.
WVU had a lot of connections to him. I have no doubt that someone took money, possible that Oscar didn’t see a dime of it though.
Nike layered that cake pretty good though I’m sure for a Top 25 type kid.
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Kcmatt7 said:
I actually think Tshiebwe fits with Huggy really well and I’m almost pissed that’s where he went.
Yeah you think well Konate will be gone after the season, great, phew, in comes his CLONE
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I’d love to know what Nike is doing differently.
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Kcmatt7 said:
I’d love to know what Nike is doing differently.
Well for one they don’t employ the Gassnola’s of the world from what I’m aware of a few situations. I would imagine not a ton of difference, just a well oiled machine with a lot of power and influence
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BeddieKU23 said:
Kcmatt7 said:
I’d love to know what Nike is doing differently.
Well for one they don’t employ the Gassnola’s of the world from what I’m aware of a few situations. I would imagine not a ton of difference, just a well oiled machine with a lot of power and influence
Yeah, plus they just happened to catch a guy on something else that led to Adidas guys mostly. More trials are coming though, we will see what shakes out with Nike.
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https://twitter.com/PeteBrush/status/1055170261295816704
lolololololololololol.opololol
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Guilty: All Counts
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Well, it looks like the NCAA will live to fight another day. KU and Self pretty much are now gifted plausible deniability. Next up, Nike coaches. When’s that trial?
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Kcmatt7 said:
Well, it looks like the NCAA will live to fight another day. KU and Self pretty much are now gifted plausible deniability. Next up, Nike coaches. When’s that trial?
April I think.
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BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Well, it looks like the NCAA will live to fight another day. KU and Self pretty much are now gifted plausible deniability. Next up, Nike coaches. When’s that trial?
April I think.
Convenient huh
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BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Well, it looks like the NCAA will live to fight another day. KU and Self pretty much are now gifted plausible deniability. Next up, Nike coaches. When’s that trial?
April I think.
Convenient huh
Yeah, not weird at all.
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ALL 3 MAN SENTENCING WILL HAPPEN MARCH 5 THEY WILL REMAIN OUT ON BOND UNTIL THEN
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Hehehe
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@JAYHAWKFAN214 This prosecution obviously has protected America from horrible danger. Good thing these guys will not be out on the streets any. . . . oh, wait…
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Truly vial crimes committed.
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Kcmatt7 said:
I’d love to know what Nike is doing differently.
Using smarter runners that are not trying to boost their own egos and are not getting caught?
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JayHawkFanToo said:
Kcmatt7 said:
I’d love to know what Nike is doing differently.
Using smarter runners that are not trying to boost their own egos and are not getting caught?
It just blows my mind how you even put yourself in a position to get caught. Like Adidas stole a guy from Nike just to put this pay for play scheme into action.
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mayjay said:
@JAYHAWKFAN214 This prosecution obviously has protected America from horrible danger. Good thing these guys will not be out on the streets any. . . . oh, wait…
they will not be
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Sentencing is Next march so nothing is likely to happen until after the season is over.
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You lawyer folk. Is it too late for a deal to be made at this point? That’s over right?
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Kcmatt7 said:
You lawyer folk. Is it too late for a deal to be made at this point? That’s over right?
we still do not know what the ncaa will do tho
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Kcmatt7 said:
I’d love to know what Nike is doing differently.
Using offshore accounts?
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Kcmatt7 said:
You lawyer folk. Is it too late for a deal to be made at this point? That’s over right?
As far as I know deals are gone as far as guilt or innocence; however, a deal could still be made about sentencing recommendation in exchange for cooperation and/or additional information that will help with future cases.
As I understand…and I could be wrong…this type of cases receive relatively minor sentences, maybe months in a so called “country club” type detention facility where white collar criminals go. Given the relatively small $ involved I would think sentences will be months rather than years.
Hopefully the lawyers can chime in with pertinent information
