Recruiting Master Thread Part Deux
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I am leery of JuCo players. Yes, they dominate in JuCo play but it is just a step above HS and more than a step below mid minors. There is huge difference between JuCo and Division I and regardless of how much a player dominates at that level, it is highly unlikely he will do the same in Division I. With very few exceptions, I would consider a JuCo player a bandaid solution or maybe bench insurance but I would not count on one to be a substantial contributor…maybe at a small program but not at an elite one.
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Marvin Bagley has added KU back to the list of schools he is considering. Lol.
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Generally Juco kids are what they are. Sometimes you do get a player that can really help you out though.
Taking the Juco rankings from the past few years:
2011 #1 Pierre Jackson- had a nice career at Baylor
2012 #2 Cleanthony Early- nice career at Wichita St, got drafted
2012 #10 Marshall Henderson- what a shooter and nutcase he was at Ole Miss
2013 #1 Chris Jones- KU wanted him, he ended up at Louisville and was a starter.
2013 #6 Elgin Cook- Started at Oregon, was an important part of their Elite 8 run last year.
2014 # 2 Kadeem Allen- Starter at Arizona this year.
2014 #11 Gary Payton Jr- Solid player at Oregon St, ended up in the NBA.
2015 #3 Chris Boucher- Solid starter at Oregon the past 2 years. Injury de-railed his run with Oregon towards the Final 4.
2015 #4 Joel Acuil Jr- Led the Big 12 in blocks this year.
2015 #20 Vlad Brodziansky- Leading scorer for TCU this year.
Juiston is that type of kid that can help KU. It’s not like the 4 spot has any guarantee right now. He does a lot of things well (especially rebounding, blocks, assists) and is a high level athlete. He just led his team to a Juco title. He’s better than any HS recruit we’d get at this point outside of Duval.
More than anything I think his character would be a big plus to this team that is losing senior leaders and is transitioning into life without Mason & Lucas.
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You really have to look at why the kid is in JUCO. Then of course throw out the stats and just evaluate. KU hasn’t had the best luck with JUCOs but I feel Juiston could change that.
Yeah, no idea what is going on with Bagley but no way he ends up at KU. He will be great wherever he goes, probably UK.
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Sometimes it depends why a player ended up in JuCo. Some just do not have the talent for Division 1 but explode in JuCo and others do not have the grades and have to do a one or two year sting in Purgatory…in a manner of speaking. In any case and as I indicated, the ones that end up as contributors in Division I are few and far in between.
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Good point Juco’s haven’t been a strong path for KU in the past. Sometimes kids just slip through the conventional path and Juiston is one of them. Kid has talent, I don’t see a reason to label him anything else then that
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If he could shoot EVERYONE would be on him.
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I only listed the one’s that stood out. But I understand your point and I’m not disputing it.
Juiston has had a very unfortunate upbringing that is likely the reason he ended up on the path he is on. I liken his situation to Jamari Traylor who had some comparable adversity in his life and while Traylor was not the greatest Jayhawk to put on a Jersey he did help KU win some games in his career. Shakur seems like a driven kid, heck he got a KU offer and a Juco Title in the past month. I think he’s worth taking a shot on for 2 years
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@JayHawkFanToo juco= purgatory? You should go to the national tournament sometime. When our kids were young we went to all the games, saw some really talented players. W/high costs of colleges increasing we have a ton of kids in Reno co getting almost 2 free years of credits at hutch juco. A lot of kids are taking college classes during their hs years. Enrollments are up here due to encreased costs.
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I did not men that in a derogatory way. I went to JuCo the first two years so I am am aware of the advantages of a good JuCo. It is indeed an extremely good option since the firts two years of most careers student usually take basic classes that a JuCo can provide for a very reasonable cost.There is no question that many JuCo programs have lower admission standards than major schools and sometimes, superior HS players with sub-par grades go there to raise their grades and bide their time so they can move to a major program; I believe that is the definition of purgatory…the place you go to atone until you are ready for the next level.
Two-year Johnson County Community College in Overland Park has 46,000 students enrolled in credit and non-credit classes…this is more than KU and KSU combined…not bad…
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Looks like Preston is all setup to play at KU…
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@JayHawkFanToo not exactly, hcc fb had guys from d1 programs, ksu and KU for example, would send players down for a year to play instead of sitting out a year. They were not ATONING for having lower grades! I know a few guys!
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This still happens.
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@BShark seems a lil harsh!
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I was referring to basketball, football is a lot different since you are dealing with 80-100 players instead of 13-15. Hard to give playing time even in practice to that many players in football. In basketball, ever single players is used and sometimes they even have student assistant participate. I would be shocked if Coach Self ever told a prospect go play in JuCo and we will visit after one or two years…just sayin’…
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Do they still do this or do they red shirt not-ready players?
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Makai Ashton-Langford asks for his release from Uconn. Top 30 player and a combo guard, I believe KU showed a bit of interest during the summer. Hopefully the staff goes after him, he’s going to be the most sought after player
Oh and Brewster alum. We may have a few of those.
Led Brewster to undefeated season
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Yes please!
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@BeddieKU23 Adidas kid too. Might have a chance.
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Thread from MS about guards to keep an eye on. Mentioned that KU is waiting on Duval but you read between the lines and figure KU is probably not getting Duval.
Anyway names mentioned: Thomas Allen, Marcus Evans, Mark Smith, Jermaine Cousinard ( @BeddieKU23 TRIGGERED ), and Makai Ashton-Langford.
Supposedly Kentucky is also kicking the tires on Allen, what a step-up that would be for him if he ends up at KU or UK…
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@BShark I just don’t see how you can watch what HCBS did with Frank and not immediately know where you should go.
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@Kcmatt7 said:
@BShark I just don’t see how you can watch what HCBS did with Frank and not immediately know where you should go.
Maybe they see the video of his workout and freak out…
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@BeddieKU23 seen this too, I’m not sure if it was just the reporter or he mentioned I think it was the reporter, he listed Kansas but also some others saying that Makai was looking for a place where he could get his hands on the ball immediately - well here we are, I think he would be a nice catch - -again shaping up - -ALOT of players opening up - -again for the spring signing - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Graham would have to leave for that to be the case. Imagine he isn’t going to UConn because Adams is staying.
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@jayballer54 I don’t know about Juiston. I’d figure Mario little would be a good comp on the limited info I have. He’d be nice to have. If nothing else he would make practices spirited.
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The Jacobs brothers are transferring to Hillcrest Prep. Fantastic for them and KU. This should do nothing but help Markese’s development. It really wouldn’t shock me if KU found room for Demarius at the end of the bench if they want to be together in college. I think Self has learned his lesson there…
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Hadn’t watched Ashton-Langford in a while because his recruitment I thought was over. Always liked his game, he’s a winner wherever he’s played.
Positives:
Can get anywhere he wants on the court
Fearless going to the hoop.
Good size for the PG spot.
Mid-range game looks solid
Ability to change directions on a dime, which plays into his ability to get where he wants.
Weaknesses:
Jump-shot needs work, not broken and can make it off the dribble.
Predominately right handed finisher. You’ll see this in about every video, he finishes right even when he should use the off hand. College defenders will exploit that.
Dribbles high, again something a lot of kids adjust to in College.
Good athlete, not explosive which is why he’s hovered in that 30’s range in rankings.
Solid 2-4 year guard for any program. Some upside, is a proven winner which is an important quality in a floor leader. If Graham does test the waters KU should be at his front door begging
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Duval will be cutting KU shortly. Which if we aren’t going to get him, is much better than him dragging it out so the staff can move on.
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glad we will be able to stop talking about him soon
I’m waiting in a few weeks for his final 9
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@BShark how do you know that?
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@BeddieKU23 Well for what it’s worth, that wonderful CB ha predicting him to Providence - -three picks all for them - I NOW believe those guys don’t know squat. -They have been proven wrong to many times. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@BShark He stated this on his snap chat I read, going to cut his list to two., he will do this today at 4:00, he is on Seton Hall’s campus. - -yep going to be Duke - - and Seton Hall. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer54 said:
@BeddieKU23 Well for what it’s worth, that wonderful CB ha predicting him to Providence - -three picks all for them - I NOW believe those guys don’t know squat. -They have been proven wrong to many times. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Providence was one of his finalists and is local. They could use him as a major upgrade at their pg spot
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@BShark No announcement from Trevon Duval (@DatGuy_Trey) today. He trolled Twitter on April’s fools day.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 What’s funny is that every player that Zona gets from KU, they all seem to end their college play in mediocrity.
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Bullets dodged.
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Bagley III has added KU to his list of 6 (cut Oregon). Any chance he ends up in Larryville?
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Being reported that Bolden will transfer from Duke. Nothing official yet that I’ve seen but there has been a lot of smoke lately that he will transfer to TCU. If he does transfer, honestly I hope it’s not to KU.
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High profile out transfers reflect poorly on the program and give potential prospects pause…
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Saw SMU might be an option. They need bigs more…
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except for Duke and Kentucky!
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…as long as the checks clear…
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good one.
I’m sure he’ll look at Texas too, they need bigs and have plenty of scholarships to give
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@BeddieKU23 Well I guess I’m might be in the minority, BUT I wouldn’t mind having him if we could get him to come. - - People talk about his attitude and such BUT I think a lot of that was because he got caught up in that Duke machine - -just TOO many decent players which limited his playing time and then he had the injury which put him back, I really feel that he still is a very good player, just didn’t have to opportunity to progress, because of numbers at Duke. - -I think he would get quality playing time here and also feel he could for sure help the program - -I think he quite honestly has been given a bum rapp on his attitude at Duke - - I’m sure he just got frustrated cause of lack of playing time & injury and everything else in the equation of things - -Just made a very poor decision to commit to Duke. – pretty good player - -just wrong place & timing - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Per MS looks like Thomas Allen has a decent shot of ending up a Jayhawk and Providence is very likely to get Makai A-L.
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@truehawk93 However, going from AZ to KU, it worked out fine for Jeff Withey.
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@BShark tell us about him, please. I googled him. Not much info
