You know your program's a dumpster fire when...
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I understand tha MU went from 6 points up to 8 points down at the start of the second half without a single time out called…that is just poor coaching. I just don’t see any scenario where Kim Anderson keeps his job.
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@JayHawkFanToo who cares?
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@JayHawkFanToo I dont
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Skip the thread then…?
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@JayHawkFanToo yep
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Still luv ya…
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@Crimsonorblue22 I want to play them again, but I understand Self’s position on it.
Baylor’s Kim Mulkey had the best response in regards to Baylor and A&M continuing to play in women’s basketball beacuse they won consecutive titles right before A&M left (A&M in 2011 and Baylor in 2012). She compared it to a divorced couple where one party cheated on the other. The cheater then asks the faithful one for help and faithful one basically tells the cheater F-you.
So while I would love to see KU run Missouri out of the gym in basketball, all it does is help Missouri.
I do think we could see a renewal of the rivalry in the future, but it won’t be until after the Big 12 is dead when the current TV deal is up and KU is in the B10.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 we saw the last game and it couldn’t have ended better! I stand w/Self. They are trash!
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@Crimsonorblue22 I wish we still played them. Hating on K-State just isn’t the same thing.
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@Crimsonorblue22 said:
@Texas-Hawk-10 we saw the last game and it couldn’t have ended better! I stand w/Self. They are trash!
I’m with you, couldn’t care less about playing them. I’m glad we won the last game, the way we did especially, and I love watching their program go up in flames.
They’re so bad they’re not even worth murdering. And I love it.
I suppose if we got to the point where we didn’t have anything else to play for it might be fun. But with every season meaningful, what’s the use?
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I Wander if the SEC regrets taking MU. I wander if there is any stipulation about kicking them out.
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@DoubleDD regrets!
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Why on earth would I “miss” 1 or 2 basketball games? No, I dont care about Mizzou, but I’ll still post on this thread just so I can blast em. Kick em when they’re down. There’s always enemy arena crowd hecklers, but for Mizzou fans to be calling TRob “uncle tom”, and other assorted nonsense is beyond despicable. You knew it was bad when mild-mannered Tyrel Reed yelled personally at the MU crowd. So, for the sake of anybody’s “love” for 1 goddamn rivalry, you would want our players subjected to that?
And, somewhat incredulous, is the siding with Mizzou(?) in that whole debate to play them again, instead of siding with Bill Self??? Why? Hey, this isnt that 10x milder discussion about playing WSU Shockers, which is a KS school, a fellow board of regents school, and the only one of the state schools KU wont play. I believe KU should play WSU just to shut them up, but its an entirely different matter with Mizzou, the BigXII, their history, their actions, and any possible benefit to them, for no good reason.
Rivalry? At least we only have to put up with 2 stupid fan bases now (IowaSt and ksu), instead of 3.
Wouldnt anybody on this basketball site say that the rotating rivalry we have with MichSt, KY, and Duke in the Champions Classic & SEC challenge is a far better RIVALRY?
Be careful what you wish for. Cut out any known bad…Bill Self has tried to do that for all of us. And he + Zenger have extended a friendly hand to Tad Boyle at Colo., and to Nebr, and to aTm. Mizzou remains in the cold in a very calculated manner. You cannot tell me that even the top brass of the entire BigXII would disagree with Self/Zenger’s stance. I’m sure they support him/KU for several key reasons. Mizzou gets their “cut” of SEC TV money anyway, right? So let them lie. And dont shed no tears over them. Again, why?
I’d much rather celebrate the arrival as competitive programs of TCU and TxTech. Jamie Dixon and Chris Beard and Brad Underwood are worthy, capable competitors, as are, of course, MichSt, Duke, KY…
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@ralster they also said no mom Trob after his mom died
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Let’s not forget that in their selfish haste to join the SEC, the slavers placed the Conference, and by extension KU, in serious jeopardy.
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@JayHawkFanToo Exactly right. What I was alluding to that the BigXII brass will easily side with Self on this one, as MU jeopardized conference stability. They arent tied to the BigXII, we dont owe them a thing, especially our money.
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How long will it be before the Liberty Lobby makes a FOIA request and learns that the term “chemtrails,” like the term “conspiracy theory,” has been used by the CIA to discredit certain topics of discourse (e.g., JFK assassination, )?
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The Big 12/SEC challenge requires KU to play an SEC school every year. KU does not choose its opponent.
It is conceivable that a KU-MU matchup would be forced on KU by the organizers of the challenge. However, last season and this season MU was not chosen to participate at all.
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Mich st, Kentucky, and Duke are all fun games to watch, but not rivals. Not in the truest sense of he word. I don’t worry if KU loses to Kentucky, it doesn’t hurt KU’s seeding much if any. Also there are no U.K. Fans here in sw Kansas to harass me! Not the case with KSU fans. It seems as though a natural rivalry with wsu could form rapidly, but for several reasons just wont/can’t. Unless there is a yearly series it’s not much of a rivalry.
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“So, for the sake of anybody’s “love” for 1 goddamn rivalry, you would want our players subjected to that?”
Very solid statement against renewing the rivalry with Mizzou.
When they left the Big 12 my first feeling was relief… to finally end that trashy relationship.
But I have recently gravitated to renewing the rivalry. And in doing so, Kansas and the Big 12 are holding all the cards… essentially we OWN the paper on the double-wide trailer of Mizzou. They have become just what I thought they would become… a complete outsider to all of college sports. Their basketball program has figuratively collapsed.
I do think there is a benefit by renewing the rivalry. I’m not sure there is another rivalry in college sports that matched that one because it was rooted in a bloody history that still is felt today.
I don’t want to shield our players from racist pinheads and trailer trash. Whether we like it or not, those people are everywhere in our country and in mass… so our guys need a lesson in reality and they should be taught how to respond to the struggles they face with toughness, with executing winning ways. We get tougher by facing struggles… and we should also become closer as a team when facing those struggles together.
I’m still for renewing the rivalry, but with Kansas and the Big 12 calling all the shots and Mizzou having to deal with it. They can take it or leave it but we all know they have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
Hey… no one despises these jack rabbits more than me. I used to date a girl from Columbia and I faced some real showdowns on visits there including being denied service in restaurants because I wore KU gear, and 3 punk Tigs thought they would try to intimidate me and I easily backed them down.
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@drgnslayr I think Bill Self holds the cards!
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@drgnslayr Seems to me, first, they want it a lot more than we do, and second, they can get more out of it than we can. Thus, renewing gives them a PR “win” for the renewal, and with it exposure and respectability they aren’t getting on their own.
Conclusion: let 'em stay mired in their Loser muck.
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Ultimately… I’m focused on what WE get out of it.
Yes, there is the negative that we will be exposed to a few games against an opponent that is lowly ranked but has a real chance to win because of the motivation factor.
But we can’t replicate a rivalry somewhere else. The emotions are REAL with our Mizzou rivalry. That should help us play with more emotion throughout the season because when we don’t come jacked up for a Mizzou game, we are toast, I don’t care how high we are ranked and how low they are ranked.
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I would like to still play MU for one simple reason.
Kansas is a small state population-wise. Outside of Kansas, KU doesn’t have a major rival. The KU-KSU games just don’t generate any interest outside the state, and every other Big 12 team has a major rival (or three) that comes before KU.
This doesn’t matter that much in basketball because Kansas is Kansas, but in football, KU desperately needs a rival that matters outside the state. If K-State was a real football power, it may not make as much difference, but since they aren’t, KU needs an out-of-state rival to achieve its full potential.
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@Ralster, you made some good points but playing Missouri in my mind is a game to get up for. I don’t get up for Davidson, or Long Beach or any of the other lesser teams on our non-con slate. I’d get up for us and Missouri. Plus it’s an easy rivalry. We’ve got loads of tradition. They made a couple of elite 8’s. We’re talked about nationally, no one ever talks about Missouri. Even if we lose occasionally like we did to them with some frequency, we’re still the princess and they’re still the ugly stepsister. I want to play Missouri!
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As I understand, the conferences try to match up “like” teams, this is why KU plays teams like UK and Florida. Also, since the the SEC has more teams they tend to drop the bottom ones and this is why MU did not play last season and it is not playing this year either. The odds that KU will drop to the bottom of the conference or that MU will rise to to top of the SEC are…shall we say…not good, so the chances of having KU play MU in the Big12-SEC Challenge are minuscule
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@wissox you can get up for a 5-9 team that has no fan base and the hi lights could possibly be the fights of the asst coaches?
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@Crimsonorblue22 LOL.
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@JayHawkFanToo said:
…the chances of having KU play MU in the Big12-SEC Challenge are minuscule.
This is, of course, a much more important prediction than the election pollsters’ odds. I just pray that this one is accurate!
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No worries, a door knob is more accurate than the election pollsters.
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@JayHawkFanToo Careful, this was you we were talking about!
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Again, no worries, I am one step above door knob…and I predicted Trump’s win…
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With respect to all pro-Mizzou-rivalry opinions above, I’ll continue to distance myself from Mizzou. All we’d be doing is help them fill their arena, despite the complete catalogue of blunders they have made to create their own fan-less arena.
What does it do for us to have some loser team be our b-tch? Nothing.
I’ll offer an alternative: Kentucky. Outside of the SEC challenge, Self and Zenger have talked to KY about maintaining a home and home series. I just dont see why a fellow blue blood cannot serve as a healthy rivalry? You think most season’s nonconf cupcake opponents are capable of being our rivals? Well–> isnt Mizzou about at the level of some dumb cupcake opponent? So explain how that’s some rival.
Once they left the BigXII, the rivalry ended right there.
And regarding the JohnBrown/Quantrill origins of the Border War, do we need to see them championing the sacking of Lawrence, KS on their posters again (“Kansas 0, Missouri 83”)? (Thats 83 men women children killed/murdered) Thats not even sports. Cannot be condoned.
What I cant get, is that people want the rivalry just to see us beat their ass one more time…, but their own total destruction of their program is NOT a better last laugh and “win” for us? So, why on earth would you want to help them fill their arena? I mean you folks are OK with just giving Mizzou Athletics SIX-Figures for every home game? Again, why?
@drgnslayr I understand preparing young men for hostile environments, but bigots are everywhere (see IowaState), and buffoon fans as well (see KSuck), so the boys will get plenty of taste of things to make them tough, as if Bill Self wasnt enough getting red faced in their ear…
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@ralster Couldnt have said it better myself.
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@Crimsonorblue22 Well leaving the league killed Missouri basketball. Maybe what I’m saying is I miss the Missouri rivalry. I got up for those two games more than any games all year other than the Dance. If somehow bringing them back would renew their basketball program, then sure, I’d like to see it again. It was one of the 4 or 5 greatest rivalries in sports. Right up there with Cubs/Sox, Yankees/redsox, Bears/Packers, UNC/Duke and Cats and Dogs.
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@wissox it’s not up to us to fix their program. Their choice. Their loss. Sec Sec Sec sec, right in our face! And it feels really good!
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@Crimsonorblue22 No, it’s our loss. We lost a fantastic rivalry.
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@wissox check out a mizzou game, they are losing, big time. Poor choice and it’s all on them! Sec sec
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The Missouri rivalry is just different from every other rivalry KU has had or will ever have. The fact that people here still pay attention to their program and are aware of their struggles is a big sign of still caring about and missing the rivalry. You don’t pay attention to programs you don’t care about.
I am firmly in the camp of those who would love to the rivalry restart. I underatand and accept it won’t happen any time in the near future, but that doesn’t mean that I don’t miss the rivalry. There’s just no other program that generates the emotion from KU fans the way Missouri does. That T-Rob block doesn’t generate the same emotion if it had happened against Baylor or OSU or even KSU. Only Missouri could’ve generated that level of emotion.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 the ONLY reason I pay attention to them is because they are national news. Ast coaches fighting? I read and watch the news.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 PHOF! Sorry Crimson, you can’t handle people disagreeing with you on this issue. You’ve given me no reason to agree with you.
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@wissox I could care less if you agree w/me? Sec let me know when they schedule it
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@ralster said:
I understand preparing young men for hostile environments, but bigots are everywhere
Good point. And another: why give bigots a stage?
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You know I have the upmost respect for you and also your opinion on letting the rivalry die.
And I definitely relate to your animosity to the filthy beasts to the east.
But you can’t deny our university being connected to the border war. It is our history.
I’ve always related well to our school and the Jayhawk name, and our fight to be a free state. That means a lot to me, maybe more because of my ethnicity. It helps me often. It helps me keep my temper towards others in check. It helps me develop my first opinion about others in a positive light.
In my own family history we had battles in Arkansas and Oklahoma.
It is personal with me, and I not only take great joy in whipping their arses… just seeing both our schools on the marque for the game gives me a sense of right and wrong and being on the right side (though we weren’t angels in that conflict either).
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Mizzou is my home state university, and when they bolted our league I washed my hands of them…completely. Not that I was ever proud to be connected. Their current state of hoops hopelessness thrills me to no end. I stand with Bill Self and am inclined to view the break in the manner of Kim Mulkey. A dirty divorce, plain and simple. No crawling back on bloodied knees.
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@drgnslayr Absolute respect to you and what your family endured.
There’s definitely some pros & cons on this issue. I guess part of me resented the fact that the MU-KU rivalry was deeply rooted in hate, racism, & slavery–> thus I rhetorically ask: why must we yearn to stay connected to that?
Wouldnt it be sadistic of a royalty program to keep wanting to beat their butt again & again & again & again…
Cant we say they are literally dead & gone? A vanquished foe? So you want to figuratively take your sword to their dead carcass just a few more times, eh? Maybe its therapeutic for some of our jayhawk brethren? Thats ok if it is.
But some judge in MO had a wall plaque with “83-0” on his wall, glorifying the murder of 83 Lawrencians, half of them AfricanAmericans–I just dont want any part of that. Sorry, thats not sports. I dont know why a storied royalty program must taint itself so?
Leave the past behind, is what I tell myself. “Onwards and upwards” clearly does NOT include the Univ of Missouri.
Peace. RCJH.
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I forgot to give a PHOF! for the great headline to your post!
