Tripper Allen at it again
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@BeddieKU23 except let’s call it like it is… Article is false here:
“A year ago, Krzyzewski had no problem making time for a decorum lesson in the handshake line with a player who wasn’t his own, when he told Oregon’s Dillon Brooks his showboating was beneath him after an NCAA tournament game.”
Let’s be clear. Brooks didn’t showboat. He played with full intensity when the game was in the balance. A tournament game! If he wasn’t supposed to play hard then take out your f@#$_ing starters and wave the white flag K.
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Coach K is not only not helping Allen by refusing to show there are consequences when you act like a punk on the court, he is also jeopardizing his own legacy because his lack of action is a de facto endorsement of this type of behavior. Joe Paterno looked the other way when bad things happened under his watch and it costed him his job and legacy. Granted that what happened at Penn State was considerably more serious but what is happening at Duke is developing on live TV for the whole basketball world to see and it is not looking good for him. His…I know better thank you all do…attitude is surprising and shows arrogance and lack of awareness for how the public at large sees this development. Dana O’Neal was article was spot on.
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I believe the article does not indicate that the player was showboating, it quotes Coach K telling the player that showboating was beneath him…which he in fact did say.
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The passage is poorly written. One should use quotes to indicate a quote or explicitly state that they are paraphrasing what someone said. As it is written, someone who is not familiar could easily assume that Dillon did in fact showboat, or at the least that it is the opinion of the author that he did showboat.
It is a reporter’s duty to present as accurate a depiction of the truth as possible.
Precise words matter.
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Ohio State fired football coach Woody Hayes after his Gator Bowl punch directed at the Clemson player who intercepted a Buckeye pass. “Heat of the moment” was seen by no one as an excuse. Why coaches let players get away with stuff just as bad is beyond me.
Before we condemn K entirely, the one thing I can never find an excuse for is why Self didn’t yank EJ in the Michigan game. Even in a tourney game, you have to not sell out your principles.
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Even most of the Duke fans on their 247 board are fed up at this point, saying he needs a suspension.
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@JayHawkFanToo look. I want K’s legacy and Duke’s legacy nailed to the wall presented for what it truly is. A nest of horribly ugly weasels.
He’s slid by and the Duke program has slid by on nebulous half truths constantly being rewritten and polished until turds shine like gold nuggets.
And these little innocuous half truths about Duke add up. Dozens of them each year.
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Trouble in paradise…
“Everybody, they’re not bought in. … They’re not all the way consumed in winning. Everybody’s not consumed in just being one." - Kennard.
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I will give Allen this. He was remorseful in the post game. Nothing excuses what he did, again, for the 3rd time and I don’t think him crying and the emotions he displayed in the post game are an act in any way. He’s still a young man, everyone makes mistakes. But I do hope the ACC takes action to make him think about those actions in games served because this is now at the stage of a problem. How does one fix what seems to be a trigger in the moment?
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That is what good PR will do for you…at least for a while.
I mentioned before that if you look at the list of most hated college players of all time, it looks like the who is who of Duke’s alumni. Duke has always gotten away with a lot misconduct and wrongdoing because people seem to have the mistaken view that Coack K can do no wrong…people thought the same thing about JoPa and in the end, when all the dirty laundry was exposed, it did not bide well for him and it will not for rat face either.
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I’m not sure what to make of Allen at this point. He clearly has issues. Not used to dealing with failure.
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Duke boards are popping right now. Reactions go all the way from “the Elon player was trying to break his elbow” to “kick Grayson off the team like Sulaimon”.
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There is no place in the game for those antics. The ACC and Coach K chose not to end this behavior last year with punishment. Now its backfired, yet again but does Suspension actually cure the problem? He’s getting into the heat of the moment and making dirty plays. It’s psychological at this point.
Marcus Smart is still flopping in the NBA- that’s a psychological problem. Can Allen stop tripping players?
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He will not last in the NBA if he keeps tripping players there
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Merry Christmas Grayson
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@BeddieKU23 I think you’re right. And because of that I don’t see this suspension having any long term effect on Tripper. He needs meds and couch time.
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@brooksmd institutionalized
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Do you think Tripper is trending on Twitterverse? Lol
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I could be wrong, but the way I currently see this situation is that the ACC has come down on K.
The threat now goes beyond punishing Allen. The punishment moving forward will be against Duke. One more trip up by boy wonder and Duke will face serious consequences.
Unfortunately, the Duke side of my family won’t be attending our Christmas festivities this year… so I won’t get the entire scoop.
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@brooksmd What he really deserves is a very thorough ass whoopin, but I’d settle for a one punch & out from a thug like Demarcus Cousins, who really doesn’t give a schizz himself. Made for each other.
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Grayson Allen must be tripping to think his tripping, is gonna get him a trip to the Final Four.
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@drgnslayr said:
Unfortunately, the Duke side of my family won’t be attending our Christmas festivities this year… so I won’t get the entire scoop.
Not everyone can get away with a trip over the holidays.
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I was trying to remember where I’ve seen that leg sweep from before.
Finally dawned on me, I see you Grayson. You play Mortal Kombat on the Playstation
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@approxinfinity good one
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@BeddieKU23
I was thinking maybe he was just trying to do the kid and play dance but forgot to invite the Elon kid:
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Duke has suspended Grayson Allen indefinitely after the guard intentionally stuck out his leg and tripped an Elon player Wednesday night
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@Statmachine I am not sure what indefinitely will mean. 2 games? 5 games? It will be interesting to see.
Also of interest. How does Coach K allow this kid back in the game after the tripping occurred? I truly feel that Bill Self would sit any player who committed an act like this on the bench for the remainder of the game and then figure out a suspension after the dust settles. Am I wrong?
My vision may be clouded by my love of Coach Self and my contempt for Coach K but to me it seems so classic of who Coach K is and what he stands for. Say one thing and do another. Is there a more self righteous, holier than though coach in all sports? All of the post game shit where he puts his hand on opposing team players chests and the in person congratulations when other teams beat Duke in the tourney. It is so incredibly fake and self serving. I would love to write an entire thread about this at some point but maybe I should focus more on the positives of having Self as our coach and less about how much I dislike a rival.
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heard Jay Williams was saying how K made him write a letter of apology for faking as if he threw the ball at someone’s face in order to make an inbounds pass… How Ks standards have changed…
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@joeloveshawks I agree, especially after the tourney loss when he whispered to Brooks last year that he was above that, gag me!
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I’m not sure what is worse here? The now famous dubbed Tripper Allen or Coach K himself.
As someone that just watches the game Coach K seems to have changed in his demeanor. It appears the win at all cost has replaced that civility must be practiced when playing the game.
I know every coach has a moment, that can be questionable. Yet this kid Allen is an obvious problem that hasn’t been dealt with in the least bit until now. That now is the decision has been taken from and made without Coach K’s blessing.
Man maybe those Nike dollars are cursed.
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@approxinfinity said:
heard Jay Williams was saying how K made him write a letter of apology for faking as if he threw the ball at someone’s face in order to make an inbounds pass… How Ks standards have changed…
I bet Jay Williams wasn’t bawling after being told he had to apologize to the nicer kids.
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Especially with a new baby…
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I see this as a huge tarnish on K. Coaches should become wiser over time, not more ridiculous.
It is a case where someone (K) is backing a lunatic. That makes K a lunatic, too.
Maybe he is suffering with “mid-life crisis?”
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Duke is suspending Allen this year because they can afford to lose him. They have tons of talent, so if the freshmen continue to play well, Allen will stay suspended. If they go into a bit of a tailspin after a couple games, Allen will be back.
Coach K tried to avoid it, but I bet the ACC was threatening a lengthy suspension, with the possibility of more punishment for any future incidents, if Duke did not act first.
Allen is a thug and a punk. He should be suspended at least three games.
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I’ve seen a lot of talk about a 3 game suspension. How convenient will it be if he misses just 3 games which would put him in line to return for road trips against FSU ( a team that has upset them in the past) & Louisville. If Duke really sends a message to Allen I would hope that he isn’t brought back conveniently when the schedule gets tough.
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I am guessing three games because he is a repeat offender that wasn’t suspended before, so he basically gets one game suspensions for each incident, with the ACC telling Duke off the record that if he is involved in any more incidents, he could be suspended for the rest of the season because of his past record. That’s what I am guessing happens.
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When you buy into the OAD approach to winning you are starting a slippery slope where winning at all costs becomes the only thing. Coach K has adopted this model and his righteousness has gone out the window. He just does not seem to be the coach we knew a while back and many of us respected; he has succumbed to the dark side, AKA the Calipari side/effect, and there is no coming back.
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I would argue that this has always been what Coach K was like. Remember Laettner stomping on the UK player in that Elite Eight game? That was 25 years ago. Coach K didn’t bench him the rest of that game. Didn’t sit him in the national semifinal the next weekend. Didn’t punish Laettner at all.
That was well before anybody knew that OAD would ever even be a thing.
Coach K has long been the beneficiary of the narrative that his teams play “hard” and play “the right way”, but the truth is that Duke flops and pouts and pushes when the refs aren’t looking and throws tantrums when things don’t go their way, and if the jerseys said Coastal Carolina or Campbell or Charlotte on them instead of D-U-K-E, the reaction would be much, much different.
When Duke’s players yell at opponents they are “intense” instead of “losing their composure.” When they flop they are “sacrificing their body.” When we hear those words used, it puts a positive spin on their silliness, and everyone buys into Duke being “right.” If UNLV had done the same under Tark, or Michigan had done the same with the Fab 5, the narrative would not have been “intense” and “sacrificing their body.”
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Jay Williams that played for Coach K disagrees with you and compares the old coach with the new version. I used to respect the Coach K with the higher standards but I don’t care for the new one with lowered ones.
I agree with a lot of the characterizations about Duke and its players but those were done by the media and not by Coach K. Yes, we can take incidents and say that he was always that way. If this is the case, should we say that Coach Self does the same thing because he did not sit EJ for the rest of the game after the famous nut hit? How about Coach Knight? He himself got physical with players and yet many consider him one of the best because not only his teams did well on the court but most of the players graduated as well. I could go on…
There is really no right or wrong answer since it depends on individual perspective.
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@JayHawkFanToo coach knight was so old school, he didn’t care what others thought nor did he act like his
Didn’t stink. My boys would play for him anytime. They can’t stand the holier than thou coach k.
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@Crimsonorblue22 I am not willing to forgive him for his Puerto Rico antics. I would be willing to if he ever admitted he was wrong.
Much much worse to me as an indicator of character was how he treated Steve Alford for being willing to take the IU job. It really did seem like he thought Alford should sacrifice his own future because Knight (yeah, I called him that, think he’ll come scream at me?) felt he was so wronged.
Both incidents, and many more, pretty much seem like the acts of someone who thinks his — don’t stink much.
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@HawkChamp I apologize for my language but it needs to be said…again… Allen is a flipdippitydadgumming punk and he should be kicked off the team. 3 times!? 3. Coach K needs to be disciplined too for not having the balls to give one of his star players naught but a slap on the wrist the first two times, thereby enabling the 3rd time!! Unconscionable behavior.
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@approxinfinity Your site, how about editing and cleaning it up. This is kubuckets not that other site.
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Alright. Since you asked @brooksmd and it’s not just me. Flanders special coming right up
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Sorry peeps. My disdain for Duke multiplied x 10 with this latest incident. I let my emotion show…I’ll keep it clean from now on k?
Love the edit!! Freeking hilarious
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@Lulufulu good decision!
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@Lulufulu np. It’s amazing how K just can’t seem to accept responsibility the last couple years.
“It’s a learning experience,” Krzyzewski told The Dan Patrick Show. “I’m going to use it as that, as a teaching moment. And a teaching moment does not stop by giving one game. Or maybe that’s what it is. I don’t know that right now.”
